Yossarian wrote:Sounds like he lost a vote rather than bottling anything.
Diluted Dante wrote:I presume its the caveat the Home Affairs Select Comitte said should be added before the UK Gov adopted it and was ignored.
Anyone who insists on the IHRA definition letter for letter with no additions or amendments is either a total fucking idiot, has an ulterior motive, or both.
no input from any Jewish groups whatsoever
acemuzzy wrote:If the ulterior motive is that they want the potential to criticize Israel, as a state, for acts against humanity, then I'm ok with that.
Yossarian wrote:And anyone who would choose to reject the definition and rewrite it themselves with no input from any Jewish groups whatsoever is either a total fucking idiot, has an ulterior motive, or both.
One of these must be wrong. Which is it?JonB wrote:They didn't "reject the definition and rewrite it themselves". They used the definition in full exactly as it was in the IHRA.
Yossarian wrote:It was a slightly hyperbolic response to a slightly hyperbolic post, but the fact is they did alter the text if not the specific definitions, and they did so with no input from Jewish groups, which was a fucking stupid thing to do.
Diluted Dante wrote:They approached it from a legal standpoint, and every lawyer who has commented on it, Jewish and not Jewish has said Labours is better.
I was merely insisting on accuracy, since it's been a common line from critics over recent weeks that Labour changed the definition, and it isn't true. It's an important point given the amount of misinformation that's been going around.Yossarian wrote:It was a slightly hyperbolic response to a slightly hyperbolic post, but the fact is they did alter the text if not the specific definitions, and they did so with no input from Jewish groups, which was a fucking stupid thing to do.
I appreciate your insistence on being correct, rather than any of this incorrect "hyperbolic" nonsense.JonB wrote:I was merely insisting on accuracy, since it's been a common line from critics over recent weeks that Labour changed the definition, and it isn't true. It's an important point given the amount of misinformation that's been going around.Yossarian wrote:It was a slightly hyperbolic response to a slightly hyperbolic post, but the fact is they did alter the text if not the specific definitions, and they did so with no input from Jewish groups, which was a fucking stupid thing to do.
Yossarian wrote:The lack of trust between the Jewish community and Labour is a real issue.
equinox_code wrote:… forced into the public spotlight by the likes of the Mail etc.
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