LivDiv wrote:

If this was a man we wouldn't even be discussing it.

That's not true. I'm sure there have already been a number of cases where people have been allowed back into the country after fighting in Afghanistan as enemy combatants. Mostly blokes. Probably shuttled onwards to Guantanamo thereafter, but wtf... 

I agree with most of what you wrote above though. I mean, I think she's a calculating bitch (pardon the french), and should be punished in someway, but this ruling (not allowing her back to the UK) is probably wrong... It's also what ISIS wanted, I'm sure.

Kinda draws attention to how the West handles refugees generally.

She's a idiot, she has to be punished in some way. Yes.
But this is also a judgment that hurts her family. Right?

They are not criminals.

You can't punish me for this crime because my mum will be sad, lol.

So … if she comes to the UK and goes to prison, then her child goes to the grandparents and gets NHS care, UK schools, etc. Everybody’s happy, no?

I hope all you fairy liberals remember your principles when the fascists rule this country and toss ozno out or worse.

Or will you embrace the right think of the times then?

Letting this woman back into this country would be a political disaster. She will not be convicted of a serious crime, she will barely be in prison, and she will just parade around east London, tell gallant stories of the noble state which was let down by those who did not sufficiently believe, and bombed by the west.

She will raise her kid a fundamentalist Muslim.

If we take her kid and put it into care, she'll be a martyr.

If we give it to the grandparents, well they didn't exactly do a sterling job with this one did they? But I suppose they learned their lessons.

We all have a choice. She chose this. She was 15, but that's old enough to choose. Fuck. Her.

For those interested in some facts, instead of emotional feel good faff, this is worth a read.

https://web.archive.org/web/20160330210121/http://www.strategicdialogue.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Till_Martyrdom_Do_Us_Part_Gender_and_the_ISIS_Phenomenon.pdf

This is the party of Windrush remember, they'll try anything.

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

She chose this. She was 15, but that's old enough to choose. Fuck. Her.

I’m with you there. And I agree that she’s a dangerous symbol ripe for propagandist use.

I’m less sure on the solution. I mean, I don’t know what anti-terror laws we have and what could be enforced. I don’t know whether you’re right that she would be swanning around East London in the near future.

I think she’s a UK citizen. I think we’re responsible for dealing with her shit, unfortunately.

We don’t and can’t live in isolation, whatever the Brexiters may think. IS and radicalisation are a threat to damn near everybody, not just the British. If we don’t deal with her, what then? She still becomes a symbol. She’s still a potential flashpoint for all sorts of bullshit, wherever the fuck she lives in the world.

Presumably these deradicalisation programmes already exist, she’s not the first ISIS member to return to the U.K. by a long shot.

Easy answer = drone strike.

I think if there are countries where mass murderers (Brevik, Bryant) can be sentenced for life and not a fake 15 year 'life' sentence then there is nothing to suggest that this woman can't or shouldn't face a similar sentence, albeit with a slim chance of release if she is demonstrably deradicalised.

Her child shouldn't face oblivion because of bad choices on her part, but at the same time I doubt that she should be able to indoctrinate them either. The welfare rights of that child trump her rights.

Oddly, this could have been resolved far quicker if the British government had recognised ISIS as a legitimate state. Then they could have stripped every expat of British citizenship and they would all be up shit creek right now. And then just de-recognise ISIS as soon as the flow of recruits drops.

Me neither.

There was those four Isis beheaders with English accents. Remember what their nickname was?

I'm flouncing

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

There was those four Isis beheaders with English accents. Remember what their nickname was? I'm flouncing

Not a second time.

I got the reference...