Climate change apathy Ragnarok thread
  • With reference to this precise statistic, digging into it slightly, it's a simple calculation relating predicted output of the 114 turbines, with current energy usage of Scottish households.

    So, if you wanted to do thorough analysis, you could look at :

    - household energy usage trends 
    - household energy usage as a % of total energy usage / greenhouse gas emissions of households as a % of total
    - likelihood of hitting predicted output of wind farm - and more advanced modelling based on wind patterns, energy storage, energy transmission, peak times vs no wind etc etc
    - maintenance requirements
    - contracts with owners / subsidies / tax payments per Megawatt etc
    - and so on.

    I'd say you don't need much expertise to reach a decent opinion on this. And you could probably, just about justifiably, skip to say "this looks like a good thing on the whole", no?
  • Funkstain wrote:
    Ah I getcha. yeah do your own due diligence is good advice usually was trying to explain that to my son the other day, he asked me what I thought was the most likely source of covid19. I said frankly I don't know, I know very little about viral engineering and epidemiology and all the various sciences and expertise you'd need to be able to form an interesting, valid opinion. He insisted: yeah but what's your opinion on what's more likely? Apparently the playground consensus is China lab leak (and something about Siberian prehistoric virus which sounds cool), and I was trying to get across that such opinions are for the birds: they heard it form their parents, who are also very unlikely to be virus experts, and so the opinion is as useful as used toilet roll - and possibly damaging, as it may encourage othering of China etc. So it's better NOT to have an opinion on something, on a subject on which you know literally nothing of value

    QFPT cos interested in how others would deal with their kids asking this sort of thing
  • I'd side with Calvin's dad.
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  • My boy is at that age where he's being told lots in the playground about sex and a load of other silly stuff about China, Hitler, Covid or whatever.

    After him telling me other kids were watching porn on their phones at school and for reasons I can't really explain I decided we'd watch South Park together, and it's working out pretty well. There are lots of questions afterwards and we go through it and it leads to all sorts of unexpected things. 

    Cartman dresses as Hitler and there's lots of Jew jokes so we go through the fact that one of the writers is Jewish which in turn leads to a discussion about the context of the N word and why it's not the same when black people use it. 

    Or 'Cartman's Mom Is a Slut' and after there's a discussion about why people frown on that yet think it's ok when men do it. 

    It's nothing he doesn't hear in the playground and I think it's going ok. Plus we're both rolling about in laughter. His Mum is possibly going to kill me but we'll deal with that when it happens.
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  • It's good that he feels able to talk to you about this stuff.  Way better than it just staying in the playground.
  • Well that's the idea. And because he now likes SP it's an easy way to talk get him to him about stuff rather than sitting him down. The cartoonish way also helps because it's never as graphic unlike some of the stuff that's shown at school. I've had him all weekend because school hols and it's been a great way to talk about all this stuff. The conversation after each episode is usually quite long because there's a lot of ground to cover when Cartman bumps his head and wakes up thinking he's a Vietnamese prositute. 

    He's since opened up about a lot of stuff he's seen or heard at school and it's been a really good bonding experience.
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  • Also, mobiles at school can get in the bin.
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  • Funkstain wrote:
    Funkstain wrote:
    Ah I getcha. yeah do your own due diligence is good advice usually was trying to explain that to my son the other day, he asked me what I thought was the most likely source of covid19. I said frankly I don't know, I know very little about viral engineering and epidemiology and all the various sciences and expertise you'd need to be able to form an interesting, valid opinion. He insisted: yeah but what's your opinion on what's more likely? Apparently the playground consensus is China lab leak (and something about Siberian prehistoric virus which sounds cool), and I was trying to get across that such opinions are for the birds: they heard it form their parents, who are also very unlikely to be virus experts, and so the opinion is as useful as used toilet roll - and possibly damaging, as it may encourage othering of China etc. So it's better NOT to have an opinion on something, on a subject on which you know literally nothing of value
    QFPT cos interested in how others would deal with their kids asking this sort of thing

    Yep, that's what I do.  I'd cite scientific evidence-based research or some such, where appropriate, otherwise just put my hands up and admit that I do not know and I wouldn't want to guess.  Hopefully this teaches them that they also can't go around giving opinions on matters ther are not well read on, and that they should look up where they can propoer evidence-based research.
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  • Kids are way past this age but when asked about my opinions by younger kids at work I'm constantly having to tell them to check their sources.
    They just get bombarded by facebook or other places that climate change isn't happening or is happening but not too bad so they are mostly undecided if it's a thing.

    The only problem in telling them to look closer is that their sources might not be reliable and they don't ever get suggested good sources.
    Thanks internet (or at least the way it works nowadays).

    Maybe I should just point them to this thread instead.
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  • Eek!
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  • https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzYqLanNeqh/

    JSO protestor at Whitehall being arrested, poor guy, police have him in a painful wrist lock, look at the agony on his face.

    Police don't protect anyone they only function to protect the interests of the ruling class.
  • Neymar of protests.
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    Snap the cunt off
  • Wait are you for real, can't tell anymore. You think that treatment is justified??

    And don't come at me with the "they are blocking" ambulances bullshit because they aren't.

    You'd have thought the destruction and inconvenience of mass-flooding would be more of a pressing concern for any government but there you go
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    Not harsh enough for me. Snap those bones
  • ZMM wrote:
    Wait are you for real, can't tell anymore. You think that treatment is justified??

    And don't come at me with the "they are blocking" ambulances bullshit because they aren't.

    You'd have thought the destruction and inconvenience of mass-flooding would be more of a pressing concern for any government but there you go
    I haven't got any idea what the protestors were doing before that video started so I've got no idea if that was proportionate or not.
  • JSO do need to be stopped though. Scoop them up with a bulldozer when they're doing that slow walk. They're helping the Tories and therefore scumbags.
  • I shouldn't wish to pass judgement without knowing when the protester was diagnosed with fannyitess.
  • Keep an ear out for when they let him go with a slap on the wrist.
  • A snap on the wrist you mean
  • He certainly didn't break kayfabe.
  • Does he have osteoporosis as well as fannyitess?
    Can't rule out a severe case of younger sibling either.
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    He's never been punched in the face, and it shows.
  • Being tortured by a police officer is worse than a punch in the face. It's not like he can legitimately fight back.
  • This is a sobering watch that's both fascinating and depressing in equal measure. The sorry tale of how companies like 3M and DuPont have poisoned pretty much the entire planet and every living thing on it.
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  • Does anybody bother reading anything about what's happening at COP anymore?

    I see a "landmark deal" has been agreed. Again.

    I'm sure it will be robust and everyone will stick to it.
  • No. Nothing useful ever happens there.
  • Well, I guess that’s it then.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/08/global-temperature-over-1-5-c-climate-change
    The internationally agreed threshold to prevent the Earth from spiraling into a new superheated era will be “passed for all practical purposes” by May, the man known as the godfather of climate science has warned.

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