God can he not just fuck all the way off?

Kent testing centre closed to make room for lorry park.
A perfect analogy to describe the government and its priorities.

Is there a more useless cunt in employment than Hancock?

Diluted Dante wrote:

I know its been repeatedly demonstrated that Tory MPs are the most gullible dickheads ever to have lived, but if you're seeking assurances from Boris fucking Johnson over a Bill that represents that man reneging on an agreement then I've got a ferry company I'd like you to give a contract to.

Once again, they're bought off with any old shit.

Even if they were to believe Bohnson would put it to a parliament vote why would they think the outcome would be different to what literallly just happened?

Make no mistake this whole pretence is about these MPs protecting their reputations and in the case of law professionals their careers when they inevitably have to go back to work in the real world. Especially those in red wall seats that know their position is precarious.

LivDiv wrote:

Even if they were to believe Bohnson would put it to a parliament vote why would they think the outcome would be different to what literallly just happened?

Make no mistake this whole pretence is about these MPs protecting their reputations and in the case of law professionals their careers when they inevitably have to go back to work in the real world. Especially those in red wall seats that know their position is precarious.

From what I can see there seemed to be a fair old concensus from legal professionals not under the thumb of No 10 that putting a vote in to activate the powers is irrelevant, as the act of passing this bill would violate international law, not as and when a later vote to use them happened. If thats the case any lawyer who votes for this is fucked.

I fully expect them to do so as well.

Yeah from what I can gather entertaining the bill probably breaks international law, passing it does, acting on it will result in literal repurcussions.

I guess that lawyers in parliament will distance themselves by stating it wasn't mandate when they signed up and will continue to not vote for it in the hope they won't be removed from the bar.

This was predicted from the get go. That the legalities made Brexit impossible without repealing a law somewhere - the prime issue being the Good Friday Agreement.

The NI backstop was the issue that downed a PM. It didn't go away.

There was a lot of hand waving and dismissive comments about Project Fear and Remoaning....but it didn't go away. And here we are again.

One thing we have to be careful about is criticising British people for this choice and act. This was not something that was put in front of them as something the government can do. The House of Lords can be ridiculously and exceptionally savage with the bill because of this

I find James o'brien quiet irritating but he was right about brexit falling apart as soon as some writes it down

It's a total mystery to me, why they've decided to damage themselves so badly on the international stage. It's entirely unnecessary: we all know not to take anything his bunch of con-artists says at face value, but looking at that briefly:

- If there were real issues with EU negotiating (breaking good faith, threats to integrity etc) then there are clearly defined and quite powerful resolution mechanisms right there in the WA. Why threaten to break the law when you could make the EU look terrible by bringing these bad faith negotiations into the light?

- The IMB doesn't even address the problems raised by the bad faith arguments! It's totally irrelevant, the most clear red herring you'll ever see

So it's totally incomprehensible, nonsensical even, at a "face value" inspection.

So what other aim or benefit could they have for this? The downsides are intensely terrible: forget anyone wanting to enter into detailed trade discussions with the UK post-Brexit now! Will Japan even ratify our FTD now in their parliament? Forget accession to the PFTT! It goes on and on: we're hosting Climate Change stuff soon, how can we possibly lecture other countries on their adherence to targets set by treaties now? It's a ludicrous joke.

OK so what are we getting for these terrible drawbacks? Can anyone identify anything, other than short term "blame the EU" bullshit that doesn't actually achieve anything tangible but keeps the braying brexiteer public on side?

If that's all it is, an attempt to kick the terrible prices of their decisions (or lack of decisions) down the road a bit further, then at some point the damage will be intolerable

The other day I think Gove was entertaining the angle that the UK wouldn't be breaking the GF agreement because it would be the EU that puts up a border.
Obviously anyone with half a brain can see that while factually correct wouldn't be how the world sees it, particularly when Pelosi clearly stated as much.

I honestly don't know what they are doing but I can believe that they believe hardball will work on the EU. When has anything ever gone wrong for Bohnson? Look at the state of his personal life and his career and yet he is in the top political job in the UK, living with a hottie while banging young violinists. Why would he ever doubt his instincts.

Maybe all that matters to the conservatives (and Dominic Cummings) is creating an island state AI farm.

I think the plan is for the disaster capitalists in the ERG to make a lot of money. I'm not sure how much thought has been put into anything beyond that, but thanks to dumdum conservative beliefs that an artifical hierarchy is necessary for society to function, they are pre-disposed to defer to authority, it seems to have been quite easy for them to find candidates who would stand during the election under the condition that they would only be given the opportunity to stand if they agreed to tow the party line on every single issue when required to vote.

Roujin wrote:

I think the plan is for the disaster capitalists in the ERG to make a lot of money. I'm not sure how much thought has been put into anything beyond that, but thanks to dumdum conservative beliefs that an artifical hierarchy is necessary for society to function, they are pre-disposed to defer to authority, it seems to have been quite easy for them to find candidates who would stand during the election under the condition that they would only be given the opportunity to stand if they agreed to tow the party line on every single issue when required to vote.

See normally, my view is this is too simplistic, too conspiracy / cynical (no doubt there are those who want to make disaster capitalism money but). You could accuse me of assuming too much intelligence and strategic thinking in our leaders and their supporters - these guys are supposed to think long term, like cross generations to make sure their power lasts as a legacy.

But now I think the "elites" we have are woefully incapable of seeing beyond short term benefit, and it could literally be the case that they see dollar signs in the 6-18 months and fuck all beyond that.

The UK: we've even got shit elites