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SpaceGazelle wrote:It's the start of something and it'll not be the same rhetoric again. Like I say, it didn't take much but it was a thing.
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Diluted Dante wrote:SpaceGazelle wrote:It's the start of something and it'll not be the same rhetoric again. Like I say, it didn't take much but it was a thing.
Any other President could have done that, but they weren't stupid and gullible.
Yeah, it's really hard to see it as an achievement yet. I'll give props to trump if he gets it over the line but at the moment it looks more like North Korea is playing him by feeding his ego.
The Iran deal was more substantive and yet that's been dismantled by the same guy.
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Yeah the Iran thing was bad.
Diluted Dante wrote:Any other President could have done that, but they weren't stupid and gullible.
They could although they didn't, and sometimes it just takes a handshake. Whether anything will come out of it is debatable but it wasn't a bad thing to do."Plus he wore shorts like a total cunt" - Bob -
It’s massively boosted Kim Jong Un’s credibility abroad and presumably at home. It’s made him look like a statesman instead of a tyrrannical international pariah and it’s made Trump look even more gullible than before and all this has been managed with no concrete concessions from Kim at all.
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Yossarian wrote:It’s massively boosted Kim Jong Un’s credibility abroad
lol"Plus he wore shorts like a total cunt" - Bob -
Boosted from fuck all to be fair, but it’s still a boost.
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Truth is Trump is a one issue president.
He's done fuck all abroad and has solely focussed on enriching himself and his billionaire peers.
Tbh he's quite the laughing stock of the international community and that sadly includes the likes of Kim and Putin.
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hunk wrote:Truth is Trump is a one issue president.
He's done fuck all abroad and has solely focussed on enriching himself and his billionaire peers.
Tbh he's quite the laughing stock of the international community and that sadly includes the likes of Kim and Putin.
Think of Farage in Downingstreet 10 and you're getting there..
And yet.. I can see 4 more years.
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Trump has done fuck all on North Korea. They are still developing nuclear weapons.
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I never said he'd done much, but at least he made contact. it's progress of sorts, which can maybe be expanded on by another president. I don't see it as bad."Plus he wore shorts like a total cunt" - Bob
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It's not progress at all, and I'm utterly bemused as to why you think it is.
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There was always contact, it just wasn’t contact made in front of the world’s media.
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Diluted Dante wrote:It's not progress at all, and I'm utterly bemused as to why you think it is.
Seconded. As dante said earlier trump did the unimportant bit (starting talks) then had a big declaration before anything was actually resolved and has gained nothing. And he seems to have convinced some people that this is an achievement.
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Nah, he took a step forward on North Korea, for whatever reasons. Credit where credit is due. It's shitty politics that tries to twist everything into a negative. -
What exactly do you think he accomplished with North Korea?
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He made the South Koreans happy. And they're the ones who are really at risk. Attempts at diplomacy are always better than aggression.
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You know the North/South Korean summit happened before Trump met Kim, right?
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Sure, but the South Korean leader has praised him for his efforts. Like it or not, an American president stepping in is a huge thing. He may be a dumb cunt and doing everything for his own image but any attempt at diplomacy is always worthwhile. Trying to paint the opponent's every action as bad is a tactic of slimy politicians.
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Kow wrote:He made the South Koreans happy. And they're the ones who are really at risk. Attempts at diplomacy are always better than aggression.
Well he did have to try and counter this type of language. "they will be met with the fire and fury and, frankly, power, the likes of which this world has never seen before.”
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Kow wrote:Sure, but the South Korean leader has praised him for his efforts. He may be a dumb cunt and doing everything for his own image but an attempt at diplomacy is always worthwhile. Trying to paint the opponent's every action as bad is a tactic of slimy politicians.
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Kow wrote:Sure, but the South Korean leader has praised him for his efforts. Like it or not, an American president stepping in is a huge thing. He may be a dumb cunt and doing everything for his own image but any attempt at diplomacy is always worthwhile. Trying to paint the opponent's every action as bad is a tactic of slimy politicians.
I’m happy to give credit where it’s due to people I dislike. Cameron’s stance on gay marriage and the foreign aid budget were definitely positive things, despite the fact that he is still probably the worst PM of modern times. Theresa May... well, bad example. But still, if I thought that this had actually done something worthwhile then I would give Trump credit for it, but it didn’t. It gave Kim validation on the world stage which he desperately craves and got nothing substantial in return.
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Nah, I don't think he's done any harm. The door is open for someone smarter to have a go now.
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The door was never closed. Backchannel diplomacy between the States and NK has always been a thing.
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The door is open for outright talks. This is not a bad thing. Threats and sanctions don't work.
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The door was always open. It's just that everyone else knew that NK wouldn't budge unless sanctions were lifted first, and that was never going to happen, because they've played that card before and didn't do what was asked of them.
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It's still not a bad thing that an American president went to meet the North Koreans. If Obama had done it and failed, people would have said at least he tried.
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Any president could have met with NK, but that is normally towards the end of negotiations, not the beginning.
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It's not deliberate, but he's moved Republicans from a position where talks with the North were verging on craven treason to a place where diplomacy is good.
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As long as its by a Republican. If it was a Democrat it would still be treason.
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Credit where credit is due, Trump inadvertently drove Kim towards opening talks with South Korea. Yes, it was unintentional and it could've easily backfired and progressed into a war but it didn't. He"s still a fuckwit though.Steam: Ruffnekk
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