Yes. Finally some common sense. Now we just need to, wait, what’s this?Diluted Dante wrote:
“Jeremy Corbyn” wrote:“We will use funds returned from Brussels after Brexit to invest in our public services and jobs of the future, not tax cuts for the richest.”
Diluted Dante wrote:
monkey wrote:Yes. Finally some common sense. Now we just need to, wait, what’s this?Diluted Dante wrote:“Jeremy Corbyn” wrote:“We will use funds returned from Brussels after Brexit to invest in our public services and jobs of the future, not tax cuts for the richest.”
Sigh.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-brussels-funds-12084323
Escape wrote:If you think he can do what you'd like him to do and win a GE, you're a bubbleman.
Intelligent voters are the stark minority.
monkey wrote:If someone is making out there’s some big cash prize from Brexit that can be pumped back into Britain, they’re lying or stupid. He wants Brexit, he’s lying about it’s benefits. It’s not on the side of a bus, but it’s the same.
Escape wrote:If you think he can do what you'd like him to do and win a GE, you're a bubbleman.
Intelligent voters are the stark minority.
GooberTheHat wrote:Escape wrote:If you think he can do what you'd like him to do and win a GE, you're a bubbleman.
Intelligent voters are the stark minority.
Yup.
monkey wrote:It’s a reaction against that sort of spineless cynicism that put Corbyn in charge in the first place.
Alright fair point, give me a minute.legaldinho wrote:monkey wrote:If someone is making out there’s some big cash prize from Brexit that can be pumped back into Britain, they’re lying or stupid. He wants Brexit, he’s lying about it’s benefits. It’s not on the side of a bus, but it’s the same.
Thanks for engaging with the points I actually made m8.
None of his vote-winning spending plans need him to lie about the source of the funding. And there’ll be less spending because of Brexit than there otherwise would be. Seems like he’s still in the same fantasy zone as the Tory hardliners.legaldinho wrote:monkey wrote:Yes. Finally some common sense. Now we just need to, wait, what’s this?Diluted Dante wrote:“Jeremy Corbyn” wrote:“We will use funds returned from Brussels after Brexit to invest in our public services and jobs of the future, not tax cuts for the richest.”
Sigh.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-brussels-funds-12084323
What's the problem? Someone needs to win over those brexit voters from the labour heartlands. This is telling them there will be an investment in public services,a major vote winner from the momentum campaigning at the last general - who swung several anti-immigration voters by focusing on labour's pledge to ensure schools, housing and health is properly funded to ensure there is adequate provision for all, not competition with immigrants. It's good politics. That the money won't really come from the EU because it'll cost us more to leave isn't (1) the fault of labour or (2) that relevant to those voters. It's just a clever accounting trick.
Months ago, you and a few others in this forum accused Corbyn of ring well intentioned, principled but ultimately a vote loser who lacks pragmatism and nous. Here we have an display of political acumen, and you imply that he is cocking something up. I can't help but feel that for some people, Corbyn simply cannot win.
The deception is completely unneeded. He’s not serving anyone. Just reinforcing the destructive ignorance that will leave them worse off.Escape wrote:monkey wrote:It’s a reaction against that sort of spineless cynicism that put Corbyn in charge in the first place.
In my case it's because me and my family have been royally fucked by the Tories and I'll accept a serious amount of tactical compromise for something better.
I'd say that that's what helped put Corbyn in charge, and so he owes it to those voters to represent them through honourable deception. I believe the ones who have a problem with this approach are a large minority.
monkey wrote:None of his vote-winning spending plans need him to lie about the source of the funding. And there’ll be less spending because of Brexit than there otherwise would be. Seems like he’s still in the same fantasy zone as the Tory hardliners.legaldinho wrote:monkey wrote:Yes. Finally some common sense. Now we just need to, wait, what’s this?Diluted Dante wrote:“Jeremy Corbyn” wrote:“We will use funds returned from Brussels after Brexit to invest in our public services and jobs of the future, not tax cuts for the richest.”
Sigh.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-brussels-funds-12084323
What's the problem? Someone needs to win over those brexit voters from the labour heartlands. This is telling them there will be an investment in public services,a major vote winner from the momentum campaigning at the last general - who swung several anti-immigration voters by focusing on labour's pledge to ensure schools, housing and health is properly funded to ensure there is adequate provision for all, not competition with immigrants. It's good politics. That the money won't really come from the EU because it'll cost us more to leave isn't (1) the fault of labour or (2) that relevant to those voters. It's just a clever accounting trick.
Months ago, you and a few others in this forum accused Corbyn of ring well intentioned, principled but ultimately a vote loser who lacks pragmatism and nous. Here we have an display of political acumen, and you imply that he is cocking something up. I can't help but feel that for some people, Corbyn simply cannot win.
I think I’ve probably already admitted that he’s wilier than I initially gave him credit for. The election showed he’s got some idea of what he’s doing. The constructive ambiguity on Brexit isn’t all bad either. It’s not what I want but it’s giving the Tories all the rope they need to hang themselves so fine really. Spreading EU disinformation is not a game he should be getting into though. What happens when the thickos are on the end of mega austerity and the Tories and Labour have both lied about some massive bonanza coming their way?
It’s one line in a speech that no one will care about though. Not the end of the world.
Edit - Double standards to excuse it as a ‘ends justify the means’ thing though if you wouldn’t accept similar bullshit from a Tory.
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