I agree it's shady as fuck. But we don't have laws that say "if you're found to have cheated then you lose", which is ridiculous but where we are. I'm not even sure jail is a legal possibility. Democracy is dead, basically

I'm sure they handed over all relevant information.

@acemuzzy
If that's true the UK is well and truly fucked and Leave effectively bought the referendum lol.
Democracy is only dead if its citizens allow it to be.

Leave only wants out of the EU because:
1. Rise to an oligarchy system. Shuffle the deck to create a free for all economy where the assets of the nation are up for grabs. Those who buy them up first will be king of the hill. Mostly Big business and billionaire entrepeneurs will profit giving them even more political power.
2. Dreamers yearning for a return to imperial times. An illusion as those times have passed and the current political playing field is vastly different from the colonial era. Of course the UK can opt out of the EU but it'll come at a hefty price. The UK certainly won't rise to the previous heights of the old Empire.
3. Tories hanging on to power despite their continuos fuckups (NHS, Housing, Grenfell). Blame the EU instead of local politics and hope noone will notice...
4. Control immigration. Mainly a ruse to gain the support of the public who are probably blissfully ignorant of all the above. The only thing they see is an 'endless' stream of immigrants with whom they have to compete for jobs and resources. What better scapegoat than immigration to trigger the desire for Brexit?
British borne Islamic youth converted to IS only add fuel to the EU bonfire.

By staying in the EU everything would be cheaper mostly due to better bargaining power.
Due to EU throwing around it's weight bullying other less organised states (Africa etc) into submission.
Wait, that's actually a good reason to leave.....

My point being, yeah the liberals have fucked up royaly by not anticipating the effects of globalism, technology. and migration. And it's going to get even worse with the upcoming effects of climate change, global overpopulation, the ever increasing gap between the haves and have nots and increasing automation leaving the lower classes 'jobless'. An upcoming global economic crisis in the making.

Better deals?
I'll believe it when I see it.

We'd be fucking mad to keep the same tariffs on shit we don't make or grow ourselves...

... but with this lot in charge who can say.

The way I see it, Brexit leaves the UK isolated and adrift from the EU. Which makes it vulnerable and at a severe disadvantage when negotiating new deals. Leave are fools to have trusted the US and accept their help campaigning the referendum. Trump doesn't give a flying fuck about the UK, he'll happily rape May in the arse and brag about it on Twitter.

legaldinho wrote:

Dude, we are going to slash tarriffs on stuff we make. Them sugar cane plantation investors didn't back brexit for nothing. Fuck the beet growers in this country, they should become international investors or drive Ubers, the stupid oiks.

With the Tories in charge yeah.

If Corbyn gets in, we'll all be planting beets in our allotments and using our extra bank holidays volunteering to harvest them and take them to the local small-scale sugar refinery.

I see that the Government is now outing people to protect Brexit. That's not a worrying development at all.

Here’s a thing: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/26/vote-leave-members-may-have-committed-criminal-offences

WorKid wrote:

5 A return to a government-led organised (socialist) interventionist economic model.y
6 A desire to transform the agricultural model
7 General cuntishness
8 Cheaper sugar imports

I mean tbh there are as many reasons are there were voters.

Tbf, those weren't the driving principles paying for Brexit now, were they? The point I was making is that the Brexit vote is based on lies, dubious propaganda strategies and more importantly likely to be funded by illegal funds and even shadier actors. Therefore the Brexit vote was effectively bought and your democratic process hijacked. The repercussions of that go far beyond the mere decision of staying in or leaving the EU.

Kow wrote:

The sweet look of freedom

The Lords have voted 348 to 255 to stay in The Customs Union.

I suspect tomorrow's papers will be telling us how undemocratic The Lords are.

Yeah, that.
It's a good win though and the landslide (one of the biggest margins ever) highlights how off May is with Brexit.

Bigglier