So Hungary have a shrinking workforce, want to block immigration and the net result is that they have passed a law that allows employers to demand 400 hours of effectively free overtime?!

Fucking hell.

Genuie question.
Did any other nation have a rebate like Thatcher's rebate?

So. Given that Corbyn has finally picked a side I can't vote Labour.

I cannot vote for any party that will openly back brexit.

It's too big, it is bigger than the next 5 years, it is the most important thing since WWII.
I will never put my name to it.

Only dilemma now is if I spoil the paper or vote Lib Dem/Green. I will have a look at polling and decide on the eventual day.

LivDiv wrote:

So. Given that Corbyn has finally said the same as hes always said I can't vote Labour.

He just said what he’s said from day one, which seems uncommital either way to me but nominally in favour of following a democratic choice made by British voters (however ill informed) until the stage where the British voters realise they might have dropped a bollock.

But the headline writers and the commentariat decided to make an interview about homelessness into another tedious centrist ‘magic grandpa betrays the youth and fucks us all’ scare story.

Reading the Guardian article, as opposed to simply the headline he does state that he’d defer to the party in terms of another referendum and try to obtain a customs union with the EU in the meantime.

Saying all this, I’m on his side and against the dismal cunts against him in the media and the washed up relics continually moaning within his own party so I guess there’s a certain amount of bias in my viewpoint.

Translation: “omg, you’re a cult member, you see NOTHING wrong with magic grandpa, arrrrgggghhhhh!!!!”

I’ll phone Corbyn right now.

“Live’s out unless you sort this you beardy creep!”

It’s a centrist meme, to imply that anyone who thinks Corbyn isn’t a shambles is some kind of mental inferior and borderline cult member. As seen on Twitter.

Viewpoints, innit?

Oh, I know. I was joking, not being arsey.

Had to remind myself as it was bugging me, the description Magic Grandpa was generally ascribed to David Quantick in the following tweet.

Magic Grandpa scared of Magic Referendum.

https://twitter.com/quantick/status/912250065204498432

His obsession with state aid rules does betray a kind of stuck in the 70s mentality. There are plenty of proper socialist countries doing proper socialist things within the bounds of the EU.

Yeah, read Yoss' link earlier.
Totally deconstructs his stance.

My main worry is that even where Corbyn gets it right he won't be PM forever. The Tories will be back one day.

Just stumbled across another link from the same writer as above.

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/02/27/corbyn-on-state-aid-fact-checked

This is a good para:

It’s therefore not easy to see what the Labour objections are to the state aid regime.  Indeed, an analysis by two leading state aid specialists, Andy Tarrant and Andrea Biondi, of 26 economic measures in Labour’s 2017 manifesto found that only two of them might have to even be notified for clearance by the Commission, with seven falling within existing exemptions and the remainder not amounting to state aid at all.

LivDiv wrote:

My main worry is that even where Corbyn gets it right he won't be PM forever. The Tories will be back one day.

You could say that about anyone though. “Not going to live forever, eh? Well that’s my vote gone.”

Corbyn at least attempts to refute the free market authodoxy that New Labour accepted as inevitable and just, and therefore normalised. So he’d change the climate at least, by providing an alternative to the accepted wisdom that’s prevailed for forty years (and failed the majority of us).

I’m a long way short of being any sort of expert on EU rules and regulations so could be wrong (probably am) but wasn’t Greece harassed into forced austerity by the EU when they attempted to find alternative solutions to their troubles?

(Tbh, I’m by my own admission largely economically incompetent so these kind of arguments tend to fly over my head.)

The Greece were constrained by the single currency stuff though. They couldn’t devalue their currency (print money), which would have been the standard approach to getting out of the shit. Also big banks don’t like this because it devalues their investments and they’ve got leverage with the European Central Bank (and everywhere else for that matter). So they had to take bail out loans from the EU which came with the condition of a huge bout of austerity.