Martin Rowson wrote:

Been reluctant to piss some more petrol on the flames round our feet, but this needs saying: this shit - actually, this state-breaking shit - was entirely predictable, & the fault not of the "elites" but of the ideology they've peddled these last 40 years. Let's not euphemise it by trying to be 5th grade smart & calling it Neo-liberalism; call it for what it is: systemised theft and class warfare to cover your tracks. A fatuous philosophy which garlanded whole-scale theft with a cultish child-like faith in the Power of the Market obviates the need for politics, so for 3 political generations the parties of government (thanks to our corrupt electoral system) have denied themselves even the pretence that politics can change anything (Perry Anderson conceded defeat in The New Left Review in 2001), which left the legislature as little more than a shoo-in or beauty contest for cranks & careerists. 

"Politics", on top of being the obsession of a corrupt media because its ceaseless osmosis with politics made for dead easy copy, ending up having very little to do with the inhabitants of the state it purported to serve. But worse than that, The Market had neither time nor need for the republican virtues which cohere states so that education was merely to get a job; public spaces were bought & enclosed by corporations; extraordinarily enough, these fuckers were dumb enough, in their triumph, to prove Marx 100% right in saying Capitalism commodifies everything into sacks of flesh & hope, just there to be milked dry of its surplus value by the already rich. 

The trouble is, when you hollow out the fabric of the state, but you still need it in order to continue your salvage operation, is that you need to replace the commonwealth with something to stop everyone just walking away, which is why our media, owned by foreign psychopaths, has spent 40 years selling the idea of English Exceptionalism, while the ideology it's promoted has stripped the fucker bare. Which means we end up, thanks to the thieves, with a total divorce from reality which has cocooned us in lies, fuelled by unrealisable hopes, dreams of taking back a country that was never ours in the first place, conviction that democracy is about the will of the people when, in fact, it's about the tiny space where compromise huddles between hatreds.

BREXIT, in these circumstances, isn't just the perfect storm: it was also inevitable. In a Potemkin country, the only thing worth screaming about is a dumb idea flimsier than the vestiges, on waking, of a wet dream. 

They're all lying, because to say the truth would be almost literally unbearable, in a physical sense. Their tongues would swell in their faces as they tried to say "We lied to you; we always do; we're the worst people who've ever lived, but you know what? We're not as bad as you are, because you're so fucking dumb you believed us." And that's across the board, from the further shores of Leave to Remain. 

We're like toddlers in a sweet shop having an endless tantrum, our romper suits caked in dried vomit, wanting more candy. We need to grow up. We've had this coming for a long time. And though no one of us, in all our lovely, loathsome variety, needs the shit, as a nation we deserve it. Hang on tight, everyone, and look after the people you love. I fear it's all going to be torn down. And it doesn't need rebuilding.

Anyway, the upshot of all that stuff is that, having denigrated and scooped out the very notion of the state and its osmotic relationship with its citizens, the dumb pricks don't even understand the unwritten constitution they've done the most to prevent being reformed. 

And Parliament is Sovereign. Sorry M8, but it is cos that's wot all that Cromwell shit was about. The "people" aren't sovereign and nor is the executive. If you don't like it change it but don't do it cos your imaginary unicorn just shat blood specked gruel all over your fucking spats. 

For Christ's sake, the sooner we proscribe the Tory Party and make belief in its foul trollcreed a certifiable disease the better.

hunk wrote:

The medium and how it works threatens our democracy. That's a big fucking thing. Not sure how it should be solved but there's no discussion on it as everyone seems to be screaming at one another.

LivDiv wrote:

TBF you can't really expect her to say anything else when she is trying to get her deal through, she isnt going to undermine it by conceding things before she has to. It's part of the process that's going to have to happen. Same reason Corbyn won't say when he will call no confidence. Much of it depends on how close the vote is.

SpaceGazelle wrote:

What time does this shit storm start?