Unlikely wrote:

I have a plan.  Buy loo roll.

They is the best plan I've heard in the last three years. Apart from pints, obviously.

Indeed, but if the EU aren’t turfing us out in the face of May’s incompetence, it’s highly unlikely that they’d do so at a point where we were preparing for a GE, regardless of the state of government.

Yossarian wrote:

Indeed, but if the EU aren’t turfing us out in the face of May’s incompetence, it’s highly unlikely that they’d do so at a point where we were preparing for a GE, regardless of the state of government.

They've only delayed it two weeks so we can come up with a plan. The chances of a coordinated plan in two weeks are miniscule. And if you thought May was a nightmare wait until Boris steps up with a larger majority.

What if this is all just a brilliant exhibition of political brinkmanship?
No one believed anyone would be stupid enough to actually leave with no deal, but here we are.

Now Tusk and friends are bricking their undercrackers.

Perhaps this is actually a work of genius.

edit - The Irish border alone suggests this is all incompetence, but even a black hole has an horizon...

g.man wrote:

Petition now over the 3,000,000 mark.

My pal did 5 of them single-handedly before he ran out of email addresses, and he lives in San Fransisco.

SpaceGazelle wrote:

g.man wrote:

Petition now over the 3,000,000 mark.

My pal did 5 of them single-handedly before he ran out of email addresses, and he lives in San Fransisco.

I hope you told him hes a dick.

Farage is indeed a dick.

That Is the kind of thing I was talking about. UK needs to leave and sort itself out, having this type of rubbish floating around Europe is doing it no favours.

SpaceGazelle wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

Petition now over the 3,000,000 mark.

My pal did 5 of them single-handedly before he ran out of email addresses, and he lives in San Fransisco.

I hope you told him hes a dick.

To be fair he: A) Gets bored easily B ) Has legitimate worries about Brexit C) Knows it won't make any difference (I'm presuming C)

If B is true then he shouldn't want to give any ammunition to the pricks who will want to dismiss this petition.

You get other people to sign it, you don't keep doing it yourself.

Except just saying "Fuck it." and having the UK leave without an agreement instantly breaks the Good Friday Agreement as it requires an open border.

If No Deal happens, and at this point I expect it will, there will be some big legal challenges put in almost immediately.

It's a complete mess, all created by the Conservative party.

A non-binding referendum that only passed 52-48, and they just plowed ahead with it.

Bunch of self serving cunts.

ChopperByrne wrote:

Except just saying "Fuck it." and having the UK leave without an agreement instantly breaks the Good Friday Agreement as it requires an open border. If No Deal happens, and at this point I expect it will, there will be some big legal challenges put in almost immediately.

Well yes, but it wasn't exactly sorted out in the deal either was it? It's nigh on impossible to solve it atm without a complete revoke.

SpaceGazelle wrote:

I hate to tell you this Dante but this petition is not legally binding or useful. We already know 16M didn't want to leave because we had a referendum and they voted not too.

Of course it's fucking useful. 

I don't think you're actually stupid enough to believe that politicians only act as a result of pressure from election results.

This is quite useful.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/26b2mrd7yn/PeoplesVote_March19th_SnapPoll_final_updated_w.pdf

The petition is bollocks.

It's a bunch of twats like us signing it, spending all day on the computer, never voting Tory, have accounts on the social networks where things like this get shared. But politicians haven't got a clue what's going on, especially the senior ones. They're all in their weird little bubbles. They absolutely rely on data and surveys and focus groups and oh shit this petition has got three million signatures in two days. Fuck! It's a self-selecting sample but it's a sample nevertheless. If 3 mil people have signed a petition supporting something, there's millions more that think the same but haven't bothered.    

I doubt May does this sort of stuff but Cameron would have had his spads all over that mapping data from the petition, cross-referencing it with Tory-voting constituencies and breaking down changing support levels. They'd have likely found that it's completely irrelevant to their base vote and probably ignored it. But what can you do? You have to club together to express a view and this was one way of doing it. It's as useful as expressing a view in a democracy ever is - not very. 

What it might do is give some pause the next time a Brexit prick tries to claim the people are behind them, everyone wants us to get on with it. Or at least when they do claim that next time it gives someone a more useful counter than they had before. Give me this on a ballot and I'll vote for it. That's not going to happen but it's slightly more likely than it was at the start of the week.