I had this today:



With some Momo Chinese chicken dumplings.

It's good source.

Goober's chilli sauce also looks good.

GooberTheHat wrote:

I had this today:



With some Momo Chinese chicken dumplings.

It's good source.

What are you playing at? Never reveal your sauces.

If they do the phone model, I really can't see them being more than £400 at launch. Gotta remember that you won't have to have the latest model to play 99% of games, either, so you can quite happily buy a gen or two behind to save money.

If they're going down the x86 api route from now on I don't see the problem with this. Some software only works on the newest ipad, some works on all ipads. The ones that won't work just don't appear in the shop.

Now all they need to do is rig real shops up with VR so pikey customers are presented with a virtual shop and can't see all the PS6.9 games on the shelves.

b0r1s wrote:

While you won't have to I think people playing games on a console will want the latest.

And I don't think those people will be the majority. I certainly won't be one of them.

This is probably quite relevant to the topic at hand... Sony launches it's new 4K streaming service.

Sony is as Sony does. It's little wonder that they're losing money hand over fist in pretty much every area other than consoles.

I think it's only the image sensor part of Sony that are losing money right now, which bums me out because the'll probably ease off developing badass sensors.

Sony 4K console specs and other stuff.

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/sources-the-upgraded-playstation-4-is-codenamed-ne/1100-5437/

Sony seems committed to keeping the NEO and the original PS4 player bases connected. As such, there will be no NEO-only games, and Sony will not let developers separate NEO users from original PS4 players while playing on PSN. Likewise, Sony explicitly and repeatedly states that developers cannot offer exclusive gameplay options or special unlockables for NEO players—so don’t expect NEO owners to get a level editor or a special Rocket League car that you won’t have access to on your original PS4. That said, so long as both systems have the same feature, the NEO can run an improved version. A local co-op game that features four players on the base PS4 could offer an eight player co-op mode on the NEO, for instance. But again, don't expect those differences to transfer to online modes.

Sounds fair enough. If Sony stick to this, I don't have any complaints. Although I think I'll wait for the PS 5.5 next time around rather than going in during the first couple of years.

Kinda expected CPU and GPU clock speed bumps, didn't expect a bandwidth bump as well though. Surprising that they've doubled the compute unit count as well, when PS4 already had 50% more CUs than xbone - presumably they figure it's a good future-proofing for GPGPU.

I wouldn't have thought compute would really come into it TBH - GPU bandwidth absolutely. Maybe they use it for the last-instant reprojection? But the valve papers are quite explicit about not relying on reprojection to salve framerate issues, so I'm not really sure where GPGPU fits into the VR render pipeline - the articles I've skimmed haven't described the actual nuts and bolts and explicitly said anything about offloading to GPU compute. 
There's been some interesting "whole pipeline including visibility culling done on GPU with compute units rather than CPU" ideas in the past couple years what with DX12 and Vulkan giving much better random access buffers for write, and thus usable scatter ops rather than the traditional render gather only - but I'm also very out of the loop on all that as well.

I mean, timing wise, seems pretty obvious the PS4K/NEO/MATRIX is for better VR when it launches, so I guess it must come into the equation somewhere.

b0r1s wrote:

So the only benefit will be visual fidelity in FPS games that would help with spotting and aiming at enemies? Which is pretty much the same with PC gaming.

It's worth pointing out that this is the exact reason Bungie decided not to allow cross play between last and current gen.

Diluted Dante wrote:

b0r1s wrote:

So the only benefit will be visual fidelity in FPS games that would help with spotting and aiming at enemies? Which is pretty much the same with PC gaming.

It's worth pointing out that this is the exact reason Bungie decided not to allow cross play between last and current gen.

Yeah it does add a problem to PvP balance. Are we now in the pay to win have an advantage mentality, and why wouldn't Sony want this, it'll help shift boxes, even though I think it is way too early to be upgrading my PS4.

Will VR be cheaper with a 4.5 though?  i.e. no outside box?  Or just better?