E3 2017 thread of dreams and kebabbage. - The Bear and Badger

Bollockoff

Vikings are post-apocalyptic Greeks.

Blocks100

Childintime wrote:

Blocks100 wrote:

a galaxy-spanning RPG that knocks the skeletal remains of Mass Effect into a cocked hat.

Blocks100 wrote:

Bethesda

Lol.

Wut? I was merely trying to state that now with the Mass Effect franchise essentially dead, it'd be nice if Bethesda's new rumoured 'Starfield' IP turns out to be the grand space opera of an RPG that everyone hoped Bioware could deliver with the last ME game, but didn't. I fookin love Bethesda me.

dynamiteReady

Rumours of a full Death Stranding reveal...

retroking1981

What do we know about the Scorpio?

Syph79

retroking1981 wrote:

What do we know about the Scorpio?

It has no gaemz

Yossarian

retroking1981 wrote:

What do we know about the Scorpio?

Pretty much everything except price, launch date, final design and software support.

retroking1981

I been thinking about the possibility of it being the 4th XBox instead of the Pro to the PS4.

This November marks 4 years since the XOne released and they have a history of jumping ship to get a head start on Sony.

The 360 released 4 years to the month after the OG XBox and cut its life short at 24m sold. Current estimates put XOne around the 30m mark.

Is this a real possibility? I can't see a simple XOne Pro improving it's fortunes enough to topple the PS4.

I understand that you don't have to be no.1 to be successful but I just wonder if MS are willing to repeat the past, especially considering that move created their widely successful 360.

Yossarian

They've been pretty clear about it being a more powerful Bone, that won't change. Beyond that, with back compat and whatnot, they probably won't be cutting off the Bone entirely.

Blocks100

But that would mean that the Scorpio would only play Scorpio games; a whole new generation Console? Nah, they've always indicated that that Scorpio intends to out Pro the Pro, period.

retroking1981

So will all games play on the XOne like the PS4/Pro situation or is it gonna be a new3DS situation with exclusive games?

Escape

dynamiteReady wrote:

Rumours of a full Death Stranding reveal...

First episode, then.

retroking1981

Blocks100 wrote:

But that would mean that the Scorpio would only play Scorpio games; a whole new generation Console? Nah, they've always indicated that that Scorpio intends to out Pro the Pro, period.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking.

The Pro didn't exactly sell gangbusters, apparently 1 in 4 PS4s sold are Pros but it's hard to tell if that's an additional sale or whether that sale would simply have been a standard system otherwise.

I can't see an XBox Pro being anymore successful, I just don't see the point. A new system kicking off a new Gen like they did with the 360 on the other hand might.

What's the power like? Does it read like a potential full upgrade or just incremental?

Yossarian

retroking1981 wrote:

So will all games play on the XOne like the PS4/Pro situation or is it gonna be a new3DS situation with exclusive games?

Everything they've said suggests it'll be a Pro situation, having the same (if updated) processor means that some are suggesting that it would be tough to do anything beyond shinier shinies.

One thing it does have going for it is it will boost all games that run on it (slightly at least) without needing any sort of update.

retroking1981

Yossarian wrote:

retroking1981 wrote:

So will all games play on the XOne like the PS4/Pro situation or is it gonna be a new3DS situation with exclusive games?

Everything they've said suggests it'll be a Pro situation, having the same (if updated) processor means that some are suggesting that it would be tough to do anything beyond shinier shinies.

One thing it does have going for it is it will boost all games that run on it (slightly at least) without needing any sort of update.

Cool, that pretty much answers my question above your post.

GurtTractor

There was good Digital Foundry speculation vid not long ago with a solid reckon that the Scorpio will primarily be there to push currently existing and upcoming Xbox One games to 4k 30FPS.

The ageing CPU architecture will limit the possibility of a stable 60FPS for many games sadly.

Yossarian

I think that'll depend on the game, really. That Forza demo is at 60fps, any games that are currently aiming for and struggling to reach 60fps should now be able to.

If a game has been designed for 30fps, Scorpio won't increase the frame rate, if it's been designed for 60, Scorpio should provide more power to hit that.

Blocks100

GurtTractor wrote:

The ageing CPU architecture will limit the possibility of a stable 60FPS for many games sadly.

And therein lies the folly of these 'Pro' machines. Wasn't it the PS4 Pro recently that was having difficulities running Prey at a decent framerate? They're designed to run stuff at 4K these new wave of not-next-gen-but-better-than-current-gen machines, but don't most of us want games that don't chug anymore at 30fps too? I want an end to all this chugging. Give me a machine that banishes chug. Just like we got rid of colour clash eventually, let's consign chugging to the trash bin of gaming tech deficiencies.

GurtTractor

Scorpio will apparently support Freesync which will be great for those games that hover from 40-60. Will involve getting a new TV that supports it, unless firmware updates can add the adaptive sync functionality (don't know if that's a thing).

pantyfire

Blocks100 wrote:

GurtTractor wrote:

The ageing CPU architecture will limit the possibility of a stable 60FPS for many games sadly.

And therein lies the folly of these 'Pro' machines. Wasn't it the PS4 Pro recently that was having difficulities running Prey at a decent framerate? They're designed to run stuff at 4K these new wave of not-next-gen-but-better-than-current-gen machines, but don't most of us want games that don't chug anymore at 30fps too? I want an end to all this chugging. Give me a machine that banishes chug. Just like we got rid of colour clash eventually, let's consign chugging to the trash bin of gaming tech deficiencies.

They'll always chug.
Because devs will go 'ooh we can get rid of chug.... but if we just up the p's here... oh dear, chug.'

Dark Soldier

So Sony is 2am next Tuesday?

FFS I'LL MISS IT WTF

pantyfire

Meh, it'll just be a Knack 2 reveal. dont sweat it.

superflyninja

Ive not kept up with the thread. Any rumors of TLOU2 stuff?

Yossarian

GurtTractor wrote:

Scorpio will apparently support Freesync which will be great for those games that hover from 40-60. Will involve getting a new TV that supports it, unless firmware updates can add the adaptive sync functionality (don't know if that's a thing).

Yeah, this should greatly reduce the impact of chugging on gameplay to the point where in most cases it will be unnoticeable.

SonicBoomBoy

Just gimme player unknown on Sunday and am done.

EvilRedEye

I remember the olden days when chugging was a good thing that Thomas the Tank Engine and his friends did.

retroking1981

Of all of gaming's 'tech deficiencies' chugging has never bothered me to much.

The one I always hated was pop-up, it was horrific in the early 3D days.

What others are there? Slowdown, screen tearing...

Yossarian

I'd have thought chugging and slowdown are the same, no?

Anyway, Scorpio plus compatible TV should eliminate two or three out of those 4 (not popup, obvs).

Diluted Dante

What about shit games, can it eliminate those? They bother me more than the things Retro mentioned.

retroking1981

Yossarian wrote:

I'd have thought chugging and slowdown are the same, no?

Yeah pretty much. I actually said slowdown in front of my nephews a few months ago and they asked me what I was on about. Young pricks.

I guess the only difference is slowdown doesn't skip frames, chugging jumps ahead to try and keep the action in real time.

In that respect I think chugging is worse, but then again when I first encountered slowdown I thought it was a sort of slow motion because of the epicness of the action in a Matrix kinda way... I was about 8 tbf.

It's definitely the same thing kinda problem though.

Yossarian

No, it can't eliminate dead legs from sitting in an awkward position for too long either. Or war and famine.

Edit: DD.

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