Why wouldn’t it be?

Andy wrote:

Why wouldn’t it be?

Ever seen the consoles turned away for trade in? I remember a PS2 with a thick layer of sweet and sour sauce on top when I worked in Game.

I meant more for anyone from here, having had it for 12-18 months.

Good service but considering I'd get all Xbox games on PC (I've got one lads) it's useless to.me.

Article from Forbes. To sum it up, if you want to play a PS5 at its full capabilities you will need a tv with HDMI 2.1 and 8k resolution. HDMI 2.1 is NOT a software upgrade from HDMI 2.0 so you are looking at a new tv as well.

Better start saving or delay that big tv purchase till next year.


PlayStation 5 Just Gave Most TV Brands - Including Sony - A Serious Headache
John ArcherSenior Contributor

Sony is starting to let slip quite a few details now about its upcoming new PlayStation console. And the more we learn, the more it looks as if Sony really is going to be delivering a substantial upgrade over its current PlayStation 4.

The latest snippet of information to catch the eye of gaming and AV fans is the revelation made by new Sony PlayStation CEO Jim Ryan in an interview with CNET that the “PlayStation 5” will support 4K gaming at frame rates up to 120Hz. This could represent a huge step up in the gaming experience – even if it seems unlikely that games will be able to hit such a frame rate consistently.


There is, however, one big problem with the PS5 outputting such high 4K frame rates: the vast majority of current 4K TVs – including those from Sony itself – won’t be able to handle them.

Some LG 2019 TVs, such as the OLED65C9 carry full bandwidth HDMI 2.1 ports, meaning they should be compatible with the 4K 120Hz HDR games supported by the upcoming new PlayStation console.

The culprit behind this unfortunate state of affairs is the HDMI connector. This has become the de facto connection in the consumer digital AV space, yet its specifications are constantly evolving. Mostly to increase the amount of data it’s able to carry. And right now, with the PS5 on the horizon, it just so happens that the HDMI connection is going through one of its most important transitions. A transition that dictates, among other things, whether TVs can support 4K high dynamic range video at 120 frames a second or not.

Pretty much all 4K TVs, including the vast majority coming out this year, carry v2.0 HDMIs. These, though, only support data rates of 18Gbps. And that’s just not enough to support uncompressed 120fps 4K HDR video – either at constant or variable refresh rates.

The newly ratified HDMI 2.1 standard, though, can carry a massive 48Gbps of data. That’s easily enough to handle 4K at 120Hz in HDR – either at a constant or (if the PS5 supports it) variable refresh rate. And HDMI 2.0 ports cannot be upgraded by software to make them magically support such high data rates.

With this in mind, it seems pretty certain from all the talk of the PlayStation 5 handling 4K@120fps and even 8K@60fps that the new console will carry an HDMI 2.1 output. Yet the only TV brand supporting HDMI 2.1 ports on its 4K TVs this year is LG, with all of its 2019 OLED models and a few top-end LCD ranges: the SM90s, SM95s, SM98s and SM99s.

You can now buy/order Samsung, Sony and LG 8K-resolution TVs equipped with HDMI 2.1 ports – and these will also, of course, play the next PlayStation’s mooted 8K pictures. Those currently niche sets are typically far more expensive than most of LG’s 4K models, though.

To be clear, if you already have or end up buying a TV that doesn’t have HDMI 2.1 ports, you should still be able to play PS5 games that have been crafted to support 4K@120Hz. You won’t (hopefully!) be faced with blank screens. You will not, though, be able to enjoy the maximum performance from such games.

The specs of HDMI connections have changed many times over the past decade. And another big change is taking place right now.

Exactly how well TVs with mere HDMI 2.0 ports will perform with PS5 4K/120Hz/HDR games is slightly up for debate. Different manufacturers have proved capable of eking out different levels of performance from their HDMI 2.0 implementations. Samsung has even suggested that its current Q90R and Q85R/Q80R TVs might support 4K@120Hz in 10-bit with 4:2:0 chroma subsampling (a relatively basic level of color performance).

However, I asked Brad Bramy, VP of Marketing for the HDMI Licensing Administrator, for his take on the situation, and his response was pretty clear:

“The HDMI 2.1 specification and the new Fixed Rate Link signalling technology is definitely needed for uncompressed 4K@120. And the only way to ensure the compatibility of HDR and all the other advanced features that usually accompany HDR, especially dynamic HDR [Dolby Vision and HDR10+], is with an HDMI 2.1 system – i.e. source, cable and display.”


So unless any other TV brands step forward to prove otherwise, it now seems following Jim Ryan’s recent revelations that if you’re a big PlayStation fan already committed to buying the next console and you want to take advantage of one of its key graphical upgrades, you’ll also likely have to factor in the cost of a new TV.

What’s more, if you decide to get that new TV now rather than waiting to see what 2020’s TV ranges might bring, your options currently seem to be limited to either Sony or Samsung’s eye-wateringly expensive 8K models, or one of LG’s HDMI 2.1-ready 4K sets.

I've only just got a 4k. That's fine for me. It'll be another 5 years at least before I consider upgrading my tv.

ps3 could do 120fps and on two displays simultaneously.

Both Microsoft and Sony should concentrate on 4K and 60 FPS, they ain’t running fuck all of worth in 8K.

But I can understand bigger numbers mean a better console, whether it can run the games in 8K or not, for example the PS4 Pro, not many games run in native 4K but the advertising states 4K gaming - the layman doesn’t even know what native or upscaled 4K is.

Neither machine will be able to run much in 8K either. But Dolby Vision and HDR+ are cool to have.

No one is going to be making games that take advantage of that. You'll probably get a handful where outputting that was the overriding concern in development, and everyone else will fuck it off.

acemuzzy wrote:

Does bonex already do variable frame rates or will that be a new thing next next gen?

It has Freesync but not sure how that compares.

If the games run smoothly at 1080p then none of this matters to me. It's not like the images won't display unless you buy a telly to match the mightiest output the console can muster.

Yeah that’s my feeling. Give me the toppest notch looks with a resolution hit.

Having said that I wonder if people of nowadays see 1080p like we can see how bad SD is?

mistercrayon wrote:

Yeah that’s my feeling. Give me the toppest notch looks with a resolution hit. Having said that I wonder if people of nowadays see 1080p like we can see how bad SD is?

No. 1080p looks gorgeous.

I have no intention of getting a 4K tv anytime soon let alone 8K.

Lol 8k gaming on ps5/bone2.
Perhaps the dashboard and menu's.
1080p, 4k30 and in some cases 4k60 will be the standard, icw checkerboard rendering or other reconstruction technique.

It'll be a long while before 8k becomes the new standard. The computing power of current soc's just isn't there yet. And that includes current pc tech.

I got a relatively inexpensive but decent 1080p TV when I moved into my flat thinking I might be upgrading to 4k sooner rather than later. But PS4 Pro doesn't support 4k Blu-ray and I'm happy using the increased power on 1080p performance modes so I don't see any need to upgrade right now. I will probably get a PS5 a year or two after launch after some games have come through - wonder how much these TVs that support its feature set will be by that point?