Icons of the 20th Century - The Bear and Badger

Facewon

Or Bob Hope.

Facewon

Fuck yeah.

RedDave2

Facewon wrote:

If it's golf and 20th century then it's Jack Nicolous.

Tiger as the sports breakout star though? I think he is iconic. Hard call.

monkey

Terry Wogan conquered the worlds of golf and light entertainment.

RedDave2

monkey wrote:

Terry Wogan conquered the worlds of golf and light entertainment.

Terry Wigan, king of Eurovision.

davyK

JonB wrote:

davyK wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

The '70 World Cup (his 2nd) is really what made him. Many believe it was a showcase for Football worldwide and lit the fuse on the amount of money it attracted. Many also credit Pele with being a major factor in that. Of course it could be said that wasn't a conscious decision by him. Ali was far more self aware.

70 was his last. That was the Mexico one, is that the one you mean? It was the first one broadcast in colour, and the first time it was shown live around the world, so I suspect you do.

Aye. 1970 was his 2nd time in a winning world cup team. He played for Brazil when they won it in '58 - he was 17 then. Had a hat trick in the semi final and scored twice in the final. He scored in the '70 final but set a couple up too.

1970 was his third. They won in 1962 as well.

Think he got hacked out by bad tackles in the earlier rounds though? Could be wrong on that.

davyK

Somewhat baffled by the exclusion of Kennedy in the leader category. Mandela should have been in the activists category but then he'd be up against Ghandi, Pankhurst and co. and the beatification of Mandela by the BBC would be at risk of being shanked.

davyK

No Elvis either?

monkey

davyK wrote:

JonB wrote:

davyK wrote:

Diluted Dante wrote:

The '70 World Cup (his 2nd) is really what made him. Many believe it was a showcase for Football worldwide and lit the fuse on the amount of money it attracted. Many also credit Pele with being a major factor in that. Of course it could be said that wasn't a conscious decision by him. Ali was far more self aware.

70 was his last. That was the Mexico one, is that the one you mean? It was the first one broadcast in colour, and the first time it was shown live around the world, so I suspect you do.

Aye. 1970 was his 2nd time in a winning world cup team. He played for Brazil when they won it in '58 - he was 17 then. Had a hat trick in the semi final and scored twice in the final. He scored in the '70 final but set a couple up too.

1970 was his third. They won in 1962 as well.

Think he got hacked out by bad tackles in the earlier rounds though? Could be wrong on that.

I think that was 66.

davyK

ah fair enough.

Yossarian

davyK wrote:

Somewhat baffled by the exclusion of Kennedy in the leader category. Mandela should have been in the activists category but then he'd be up against Ghandi, Pankhurst and co. and the beatification of Mandela by the BBC would be at risk of being shanked.

That’s a weird dichotomy. How was Ghandhi not a leader?

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davyK wrote:

Somewhat baffled by the exclusion of Kennedy in the leader category.

No good as a leader. Lots of rhetoric, but he lost his head in a crisis.

davyK

Yossarian wrote:

davyK wrote:

Somewhat baffled by the exclusion of Kennedy in the leader category. Mandela should have been in the activists category but then he'd be up against Ghandi, Pankhurst and co. and the beatification of Mandela by the BBC would be at risk of being shanked.

That’s a weird dichotomy. How was Ghandhi not a leader?

You're right. The classification scheme is somewhat flawed. Mandela is a great leader too of course.

davyK

Andy wrote:

davyK wrote:

Somewhat baffled by the exclusion of Kennedy in the leader category.

No good as a leader. Lots of rhetoric, but he lost his head in a crisis.

He had plenty of flaws. Should have kept his trousers on too. Iconic though. No doubt about that?

[Deleted User]

It was a joke, Davy.

davyK

Thought you were referring to Bay of pigs.

RedDave2

davyK wrote:

Thought you were referring to Bay of pigs.

No, the other other thing he was famous for.

Yossarian

Shagging Marilyn Monroe?

mistercrayon

Gandhi wasn’t a leader in a government sense while Nelson Mandela was president of South Africa

RedDave2

Yossarian wrote:

Shagging Marilyn Monroe?

Ok. The other, other , other thing.

Also: well done that man.

Diluted Dante

Pele didn't play much in either 62 or 66. 2 and 3 games I think.

davyK

RedDave2 wrote:

Shagging Marilyn Monroe?

Ok. The other, other , other thing. Also: well done that man.

The Missile Crisis which was one of his finest hours was created by him plonking missiles on the Russian/Turkish border - forcing Russia to make some sort of response. If he hadn't tried that on then the whole may not have happened. Still - must have been quite a ride at the time.

LivDiv

Squeeky bum time for sure.

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