Doubt much of that would stand up as evidence in court, mind you. He sounds like one of these typical rich, preppy cunts that deserves a good kicking.

Yossarian wrote:

A very quick google suggests that the people compiling these stats are taking such things into account.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/false-sexual-violence-assault-rape-allegations-truth-rare-international-day-for-the-elimination-of-a8077876.html

There are a number of fundamental problems with this article. The first of which is that it’s pointing out the same problems I am; that the false accusations get lost in amongst other cases that don’t result in a charge. The author draws conclusions about what that means which aren’t supported, and are in contradiction to what I’ve seen.

She also claims that false rape accusers are subject to more scrutiny than those who falsely report other crime. In the press, that may be true, but it’s not true at a policing level. People who falsely allege theft and robbery (the two most common false reports) are hammered, and are regularly charged.

It’s also worth noting that rape is different, in that an individual is accused of something they didn’t do. False allegations of theft and robbery involve entirely fictitious perpetrators.

Which leads me to the next problem with that article; the entirely false premise that, just because the alleged perpetrator is not named, that no person is being investigated. It is incredibly rare for allegations to come in without them being about a specific person. Their name might not be known to the alleged victim, but that does not mean - by any stretch - that it’s remotely commonplace for allegations (genuine or false) to be about a complete unknown. Malicious false allegations are always about a named individual. Repeat false accusers tend to be more vague.

However, what I would say is this. Perhaps it’s down to perception. Even if the figure were as low as 4% (and I really don’t think it is) I personally think even that figure indicates a significant problem, especially given how serious the implications are for it. False rape allegations are nastier than most other false allegations.

tin_robot wrote:

The flip-side to those people is that the vast majority of women I see that have been sexually assaulted, never go to the Police at all.  Usually because they feel they won't be believed, or are scared about the ramifications if they do so.  I'm absolutely certain that the majority of women who are victims of sexual assault tell no-one at all.

I don’t doubt that for one second. It’s why I said, from the start, that it’s an incredibly difficult problem.

Yossarian wrote:

I’m sorry, I understand your personal experience of this, but I find it very hard to believe that people whose job it is to compile these stats are aware of the same issues that you are and yet just ignore them entirely. I simply don’t buy it.

I’m not saying they ignore them entirely. I’m saying that the author of that article draws conclusions without any supporting evidence. And I’m saying that, while I don’t doubt the statisticians are good at their jobs, I do doubt the basic data they’re using.

My only point with that article was to show that the people studying this are aware of the flaws in the data, and you would expect them to be trying to correct for those flaws. I have no feelings whatsoever towards any conclusions that the author may draw.

I know mate, that's why I ain't going in.

I've even got people at work emailing me lists, look:

Moonlight Shadow - Mike Oldfield
Wouldn't it be good - Nik Kershaw
Time after Time - Cyndi Lauper
Somebody's watching me - Rockwell
A View to a Kill - Duran Duran
Lost Weekend - Lloyd Cole and the Commotions
I Can't Wait - Nu Shooz
We don't have to take our clothes off - Jermaine Stewart
Land of confusion - Genersis
Labour of Love - Hue and Cry
House Arrest - Krush
Get Lucky - Jermaine Stewart
The Race - Yello
Need you Tonight - INXS
Lullaby - The Cure
Eye Know - De La Soul
From out of Nowhere - Faith No More
It's My Life - Talk Talk
Crazy - Seal
Go - Moby
Weather with You - Crowded House
Hazard - Richard Marx
Just Another Day - Jon Secada
Constant Craving - KD Lang
Come Undone - Duran Duran
Play Dead - Bjork, David Arnold
Cornflake Girl - Tori Amos
Inside - Stiltskin
Mmm mmm mmm - Crash Test Dummies
Glory Box - Portishead
A Girl like You- Edwin Collins
I'm only sleeping - Suggs
'74'75 - The Connells

Does it matter when

regmcfly wrote:

Does it matter when

Apparently if you are rich and white it does.

Go on then, why does it matter?

mk64 wrote:

regmcfly wrote:

Does it matter when

Yes it does. What a moronic comment.

Please don't.

Diluted Dante wrote:

Go on then, why does it matter?

For the same reasons that there are statutes of limitations on crimes.
Edit - I release this doesn’t apply to Kavanaugh’s alleged crime.

FWIW, I think he’s guilty as hell. But someone just alleging a public figure has raped them shouldn’t be enough to disqualify him. Otherwise anyone can make up any old shit about anyone.

How long ago it happened is clearly relevant. If Kav ‘can’t remember’ what happened and was off his box after some giant piss up and it was last week. That’s slightly different to it being decades ago. It doesn’t exonerate him which I think is the implication everyone was objecting to.

Problem is everybody involved seems fairly hazy on the details and there's zero chance of hard evidence.

If it happened now there'd probably be a live blog feed and a video on porn hub.

And therefore it's imperative he's confirmed.