I dunno. The Switch is shaping up to be a worthy successor, I reckon. Which is amazing, as the 3DS is a tough act to follow.

SpaceGazelle wrote:

It's hard not to think they've shot themselves in the foot slightly with the Switch, as good as it is.

I wish I could shoot myself in the foot that way, if it means raking it in.

No Dpad, horrible joysticks and placement, battery life, lack of clam shell. Big screen though.

SpaceGazelle wrote:

Yeah but now they've combined two markets it feels the handheld design it's compromised. The design of the 3ds is a stone cold classic.

Yeah but they kinda had to.

The markets changed a lot in the last 10 years and supporting two systems in next to impossible now.

10 years ago we had two systems from both Sony and Nintendo and the 360 all selling well. Since then both Nintendo and Sony have been reduced to one.

Nintendo done well to come out on the other side.

Fair enough on the design, but that's purely down the preference and the sales would dictate the masses don't care.

My take from E3 is that Nintendo are the best at games, they've always been the best, and they carry on being the best...
but i'm going full xbot thanks to game pass and the ridiculous ultimate update offer. Thanks to that I now have my gaming library for the next 2 years sorted, for about the same price as one new Nintendo game.

retroking1981 wrote:

I think MS have done well at creating an ecosystem, their problem is their market share compared to Sony's.

Not really, not if they can successfully start selling games and services to Windows 10 users.

I think MS have effectively sacrificed this gen, after a poor start. 
What they have created is an infrastructure that will serve them well going into next gen and beyond that.
BC, Game Pass, play anywhere, streaming, all these things carry over seamlessly (if all goes to plan). Whereas Sony are faced doing the usual generational reset.

It depends if subs start to impact first week sales.
Sales of a game are largely dead after that first week, the exceptions being Nintendo and GTA mainly.
The fee pubs receive from sub services is, in most cases likely income that wouldnt materialise otherwise.

As an example.
I bought and played through Arkham Knight on launch and liked it a lot (lets not start a debate on AK).
I was keen to play it again but have it on PC nd wanted to play on Xbox. The most likely result would be I would have bought it second hand if it didnt appear on gamepass the other day.

In fact I was in CEX yesterday, I couldn't find anything I wanted because most of the games I may have picked up in the past are on Game Pass.

So, I dont see subs replacing week one sales but instead replacing preowned, piracy or no sale at all.

That's a good shout Liv. Anything you can't wait for you'd still buy day one, leaving the "I'll wait until a sale/buy second hand" stuff to fill the subs. Can see me never touching a pubey second hand copy again.

Who is Origin?

LivDiv wrote:

It depends if subs start to impact first week sales. Sales of a game are largely dead after that first week, the exceptions being Nintendo and GTA mainly. The fee pubs receive from sub services is, in most cases likely income that wouldnt materialise otherwise. As an example. I bought and played through Arkham Knight on launch and liked it a lot (lets not start a debate on AK). I was keen to play it again but have it on PC nd wanted to play on Xbox. The most likely result would be I would have bought it second hand if it didnt appear on gamepass the other day. In fact I was in CEX yesterday, I couldn't find anything I wanted because most of the games I may have picked up in the past are on Game Pass. So, I dont see subs replacing week one sales but instead replacing preowned, piracy or no sale at all.

 

Near bang on the same for me

RamSteelwood wrote:

My take from E3 is that Nintendo are the best at games, they've always been the best, and they carry on being the best... but i'm going full xbot thanks to game pass and the ridiculous ultimate update offer. Thanks to that I now have my gaming library for the next 2 years sorted, for about the same price as one new Nintendo game.

 

And I feel I will go this way as well. If I can do 2 consoles, it will be an xbox and a Nintendo but both time and cost dictate I will probably stay on one system and given what Microsoft are offering to those who are already invested in them to a degree its hard to see me shifting. The Switch is an awesome machine with a great library of games but thats not what is the deciding factor for me anymore. Granted, every body has their own particular preferences.

I guess Sony will have to turn their PS Now thing into a Game Pass equivalent eventually (although not the PC aspect). It seems too big and obvious a thing to ignore at this stage.

Generally, I don't really know what machines I might buy next, but an XBox seems least likely. I may just have to get a PC at some point.

Anyone know much about Code Vein?
Looks like one of the better From Software ripoffs.

dynamiteReady wrote:

Anyone know much about Code Vein? Looks like one of the better From Software ripoffs.

I was interested early on, but they've changed it quite a bit since and I'm not so keen on the new (slightly mashier) combat.

Giant Bomb have a recent quicklook of it if it helps:
https://www.giantbomb.com/shows/code-vein-050819/2970-19253

I'm loving this reveal!