Gods & Monsters: The Prometheus Thread (Mahooosive Spoilers!) - The Bear and Badger

three1ne

The film is shit though. Right?Â

Totally in your face oooohhhhh

Kow

You're shit, Brainless. Or whatever.

three1ne

You have pierced my soul, just like pat-able alien snakes.

Sasukekun

Looking back I can see how poor the film actually is. Way too many current creatures that weren't needed. Tried to do the thing Aliens did and not have any real action for an hour.
We had squids, giant humans, zombies, snakes, I almost feel the thing was created for Alien fanservice.

JonB

Petey wrote:

Probably the biggest thing that stuck out when I was watching it was how indifferent half of the characters seem to be when they actually see a clearly artificial construct on another planet. As if it's an every dayÂ occurrenceÂ to start wandering around alien buildings.

It was like they knew they'd signed up for an Alien film, to the point that, when no proper monster turned up, they had to contrive stupid ways to get themselves killed just to fulfil their agreement. They also didn't bother exploring the rest of the planet. Because they knew.

cockbeard

Watched three weeks back, should probably watch again before posting, so I can flesh this argument out somewhat, but the goo is not confusing

I see it as the forbidden fruit of eden. From our perspective the blue dude is a god. He has no insecurity, jealousy or hatred. When he uses the goo he sacrifices himself without fear, but in love and so creates life, seeds a planet. In the humans they are scared and violent so the goo feeds on that and produces a far more malevolent creature

Paul the sparky

Remember that time in the bible when Eve ate the apple and turned into a zombie? That was a hoot.

adored

It's amazing there hasn't been a zombie / vampire / werewolf version of the Bible yet.

Sasukekun

adored wrote:

It's amazing there hasn't been a zombie / vampire / werewolf version of the Bible yet.

It's already got a zombie.

adored

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[Deleted User]

People drinking blood too

three1ne

Anyone seen the alternative ending yet?

This demo reel from the VFX people suggests more peopleÂ initially made it out alive (on the buggies at 3:40)
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Ali

Could be wrong, but are they not using the buggies for reference as to where the ship is crashing? Giving the actors something to focus on?

three1ne

Wondered that at first, think you might actually be right. I thought they were the buggies from the film but on closer look they just look like normal buggies with stunt men riding them.

ShabbyMcCrabby

Started watching this again and was instantly reminded of how fucking awful the main musical theme is. Just abhorrent and completely out of tone for the sci-fi setting. May as well be in a world war 2 film.

dynamiteReady

Kow wrote:

I had high expectations and while they weren't fully met, I thought the film was pretty good. Definitely enjoyable.

Co - signed.

ShabbyMcCrabby wrote:

Started watching this again and was instantly reminded of how fucking awful the main musical theme is. Just abhorrent and completely out of tone for the sci-fi setting. May as well be in a world war 2 film.

Yes. The soundscape is rubbish.

Aside from that, was rather awed by the strength of the influence that James Cameron had had (grama flail) on Ridley Scott.

I am also currently drunk, and locked inside my abode. ARRGH!
It's the only reason why I watched the film.

It's not shit.

Preachy though. But I respect that...

dynamiteReady

Elmlea wrote:

One of the central themes of the film is that human DNA = engineer DNA, that's what I meant by genetically identical. Whatever it does to an engineer it should subsequently do to a human.Â Differences by sex would be explicable, likewise if they were dead. I assumed Fyfield was killed by the snake, Â or by the atmosphere.

Whell...

That thing that came out of that burd' after the caesarian blatantly looked like a face hugger...
And the thing that came out of that engineer bloke (will assume it's a bloke...), looked like an Alien (tm) fo' shizzle.

So that would outline the ecology to an extent.

Edit - I'm also guessing we're all with the idea of that android spiking that dude's drink with Alien spuff at the pool table?

Tempy

With the idea? It's wholly explicit.

dynamiteReady

Sorry... I'm around new here...

I'm fast turning round to the idea that the film is perhaps one of the most intelligent "blockbusters" ever made....
At the very least, it was certainly far more enjoyable than Avatar.

Kow

That's a pretty low least. I will happily join you in your praise of Prometheus, though.

regmcfly

I'll join you two.

dynamiteReady

Kow wrote:

That's a pretty low least...

I was very wary of the hype on pre release, but knew I'd watch it eventually because Scott is a master of the craft, working with his favourite genre on a vanity project based on his most famous work...

When the reviews came in, I only saw the scores, and thought "fuck it"...

But then I watched it (bitter sweet circumstance. YAM STILL LOCKED IN AS I WRITE THIS. FOR THE SAKE OF FLUCK*)...

It's remarkably heavy on symbolism, and for that, it's a very adult film. So there's little wonder why it did not review as an "instant classic". As a result of the prominence (or indeed, the opposite) of the picture's semiotic quality, it's quite possibly the only modern film that I will watch again from start to finish, even after viewing it so recently.

I've never been inclined to do that before... Quite frankly (perhaps a little conceitedly) because I'd never felt the need to do so.

But this film is very different.

Sure... There's some cheddar / pandering in there (did they really need to cast Charlize Theron? I'm not complaining though. She has never looked better on screen... And that's really saying something), but the core story is solid. And the cinematography isÂ brilliant.

People saying there's not enough to the story... Fuck off.
Good stories should float questions...

* I've just been freed! Yay!!!

dynamiteReady

Tempy wrote:

With the idea? It's wholly explicit.

Yes. But why did the android choose him, of all people?

He seemed somewhat vital to the expedition, no? And given that we're conditioned to accept the android as an entity without will, you have to ask where the order came from.

Perhaps the 'decision'Â was merely a dramatic contrivance.

And another thing... The intent of the androids in both Alien, and Aliens was always made clear at some point or another in both of those films. This is not the case in Prometheus... You have the android talking about how he's deliberately programmed to not act like a human, but he appears to be the most human of all the androids in the Alien movie series (if we're counting Prometheus as a part of that series)...

That said, I'd noticed that Kow had already touched upon the subject of David's (that's his name, right?) sentience, earlier in this thread.

I am going to watch the film again, and hopefully, I'll be in the position to write about the story in a more sensible fashion.

Kow

He does ask him at one point how far he would be prepared to go for his research. My opinion was onÂ thisÂ page. Fucked if I'm typing it again.

adored

Don't go slating Theron, she's by far the best actor in the entire film.

Eat it, Fassbender fannies.

Tempy

Kow wrote:

He does ask him at one point how far he would be prepared to go for his research. My opinion was onÂ thisÂ page. Fucked if I'm typing it again.

Yes this is why he chooses him. Dramatic irony too, and because he is utterly unlikeable.

dynamiteReady

You see, my current theory is that the entire film is a meditation on faith and aspiration, and the fate of each of the crew members reflects their existential perception of those two ideas.

Like, the old man for example... He, quite surprisingly, found exactly what he was looking for.

stellavista

ShabbyMcCrabby wrote:

Started watching this again and was instantly reminded of how fucking awful the main musical theme is. Just abhorrent and completely out of tone for the sci-fi setting. May as well be in a world war 2 film.

+1. There are many things wrong with this movie but the soundtrack could just be the worst.

stellavista

I enjoyed the film overall tho. Just so you all know.

dynamiteReady

Quick point about the medical machine for men only. The machine was inÂ Chalize'sÂ emergency escape module... It obviously wasn't her escape module though... She was keeping it warm for the old man. Other exhibitions of literary stupidity are far harder to explain away, but that one would make some sense.

But, let's take the biologist and his snake charming session... "Duh, thats stupid, no one would do that!" etc.

How about Steve Irwin, eh? That mofo got by...

Perhaps that was the very attitude which put him on that ship in the first place.

I mean, it's already established very early on that he's inquisitive,Â unassuming, and rather obsequiousÂ (I thought the writers did very well to characterise the crew so economically). Isn't that the kind of dude you'd want to have around in a "first contact" situation?

I'm not going to fight for the scriptwriters until the bitter end here, but I think they deserve some credit...

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/06/prometheus-science-faith-creationism/

That's the best public discussion of the subject I've read in ages, I'm still going through it, and there are some brilliant opinions there (though it's not a subject I have a deep interest in).

To my mind, that's no accident.

It's also much more interesting than talking about why they landed on LB 6969 (or what have you), rather than LV 1234...

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