I have a bunch of Ass Creed hoodies I haven't paid for.

Tried to trade it in. Nothing to trade it in for!
They had Wolfenstein but I'm waiting for Sniper 3. I played the first games demo but none of the actual games. I'm in the mood to shoot some conkers.

pantyfire wrote:

Tried to trade it in. Nothing to trade it in for! They had Wolfenstein but I'm waiting for Sniper 3. I played the first games demo but none of the actual games. I'm in the mood to shoot some conkers.

Is Sniper Elite worth a go then? I was tempted to get it on the XBone.

The first Sniper Elite was pretty alright. Along with fairly realistic ballistics you had a camouflage index system similar to MGS3 which meant you had to actually stalk through the levels and if you were getting shot at, you were generally doing something wrong.

Sniper Elite 2's only + point is the shameless X-Ray gore porn on offer. Entire game is a broken mess of shitty level designs and rote scripted encounters that barely have the supporting struts for the stealth mechanics the game apparently includes. I got it for free on Steam and really just play it to complete and get it out of my installed list.

SE 3 by all accounts is more of the same.

I tried the first Assassin's Creed because the pre-release videos made it look awesome. Sadly, it was utter pants. I got suckered into AC III because (again) the videos looked good and I was intrigued by the setting, but it was also complete underwear.

The series is on my permanent persona non grata list, unless AC V comes bundled with a gizmo that plugs into your console and gives amazing blow jobs, or something.

Diluted Dante wrote:

That's the pre order bonus.

Sold.

Not quite, but very close to:

MGS2 on the Vita

Is it me or is it a fiddly, uncontrollable load of crap?

mrsmr2 wrote:

Not quite, but very close to: MGS2 on the Vita Is it me or is it a fiddly, uncontrollable load of crap?

Fiddly enough to make me give up after the first chapter.

They've basically got Aisha Tyler instead, to fill their female quota at E3. And that's all Ubisoft really used Jade Raymond for, anyway.

It plays the worst, by far, of any of them. But it has some of the most interesting ideas.

MGS2 is the only one I have completed.
Watch a mate do MGS
Can't play MGS3
Played an hour (gameplay) of MGS4

By 4 I found gaming had moved on in terms of controls, I felt like I didn't have enough fingers to press/hold the buttons it wanted. Clunky as fuck.

Liveinadive wrote:

Clunky as fuck.

MGS2 suffered from that, too. You could do a bajillion things, like lean whilst hiding in a locker, but you needed ten fingers on each hand to pull it off.

fullspectrum wrote:

No they are funny.

We clearly have very different tastes when it comes to humour.

fullspectrum wrote:

Interesting are the exploration of simulated experiences, the facelessness and puppetry that come with giving a player purchase over a character capable of deadly force, and how that relates to commanders and their soldiers.

I thought this stuff was done in heavy handed, A Level Philosophy kind of way. Stuff like "Fission Mailed" and the reality/virtual reality cross over was handled in such an amateur way as to be painful to watch (or play, rather).

The mind baffles at why you would see it through if you felt like that Swirl, you should do things you enjoy. For frame of reference, what's a game that you think does have a depth of narrative?

Resi 6.

Played through Leon's campaign coop and enjoyed it pretty much, but realised when starting chris 's bit solo I just couldn't muster the effort.

Might return to it sometime.

Is it really 3x the length of Leon's bit? That would be one seriously generous game.

Blue Swirl wrote:

fullspectrum wrote:

The mind baffles at why you would see it through if you felt like that Swirl, you should do things you enjoy. For frame of reference, what's a game that you think does have a depth of narrative?

I'd played MGS, Twin Snakes and 3 and loved them all, but given up on 2. So I went back and was determined to finish it. People rave about it so I kept thinking "maybe it gets better later", but IMO it just got worse. I can't think of anything off the top of my head. Heck, even the Resident Evil games have a better plot than MGS2. Resi 4 may have been bat shit mental, but at least it made sense within the universe and its own set of rules. One of my clearest memories of MGS2 is having to wait for Otacon to stop sobbing whilst he told me his blummin' life story right at the start of a dramatic escape sequence. C'mon mate, save the revelations for therapy, right now we need to STFU and GTFO. EDIT: Wait, had an idea. Final Fantasy XII and Xenoblade Chronicles had pretty solid plots, that held (or are holding) my attention over many tens of hours.

I just don't think it's the game's fault that narrative and plot aren't the same thing, and you're looking for plot - which is also fine of course but there are plenty of games for that.

People aren't raving about 2 because they can write an A to B IMDB style plot synopsis of it. The ending is hard to describe as to why it's so affecting to some people, like me and my brother, who in a discussion neatly compared it how the ending of Space 2001 is one of his favourite movie moments, but couldn't articulate exactly why. That's the appeal to a lot of us, I guess, that the games themes make your head fizz with ideas, questions, interpretable loose ends.

The best movies leave me feeling like that, and I love to get that feeling from a game that firmly knows it's a game, because graphical limitations and game logic will always break the 4th wall (the first thing I do in any 3rd person game ever, the more serious the better, is tappa tappa tappa away on the d-pad, making them move like Homer Simpson after an electric shock) so to embrace it anyway makes perfect sense. It's what gives you an experience removed from following a simple plot.