g.man wrote:

I can remember being stuck for several days in one of the early levels (underground river with a big waterfall at the end), because I just could not find the route to progress north.

The original was way more than the sum of its parts, so long as the player appreciated the beauty of its suggestion where tech held it back. Tech from the past; imagination from the future.

I loved that era, with fond memories of its digitised skyboxes.




I still don't think we've realised what — in their blocky glory — they were hinting at, and a lot of modern games look gamier to me, albeit obviously much better. I find Cyberpunk's visual content-push claustrophobic and fake-feeling.

Yeah I couldn't wait for it to be over

Sounds awesome

Tombe Raidere

https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2021/03/tomb_raider_definitive_survivor_trilogy_leaked_releases_18th_march

It's almost impressive that they became progressively worse after decent start.

If they sell that for more than £10 it’ll be a joke because those games are regularly free/£2 games.

Didn’t one of them become a timed Xbox exclusive for a while?  I seem to remember it was to come out against U4 but that got delayed by a decade or something.  All the xbox only sites were suddenly declaring it wonderful when it was quite clearly merely not a travesty like some of them had been.

There's a lot of crazy talk going on in here, because Rise of the Tomb Raider is a fucking brilliant game.

Yeah second one and best of the trilogy.

Rise was way too long and over-filled with a lot of not very interesting content. Way too much shooty shooty, incessant amounts of moany moany, not enough tomby tomby - the best tombs were actualy post-launch DLC which is a bit rotten and Lara was a horendously dull protagonist. It's also worth noting that Rise and Shadow have the exact same opening few hours, set dressing aside, beat for beat:

Start with Lara travelling with Jonah (Snowy Mountains in Siberia / Plane)
There's a bit of tension between them and they have a talk about the type of person Lara is. Lara says she NEEDS TO DO THIS ON HER OWN. Jonah tells her that SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING ALONE!! 
They encounter an issue (Avalanche!!! Plane starts to fall!!!)
CRUNCH!!! CRASH!!! FADE TO BLACK!!!! 
Flashback to X time earlier
Tutorial sequence where Lara discovers the location of the thing she is searching for 
FLASHFORWARD BACK TO AFTER THE CRASH
Lara must set up by a fire / early tutorial / basic combat stuff you know the drill
FIRST BOSS FIGHT - A BIG ANIMAL (Bear / Panther)

Both games are obsessed with it BEING LARA'S FAULT and LARA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING and YOU ARE NOT ALONE LARA YOU HAVE FRIENDS LARA.

Lara is a marytr. Except, she isn't. She's just insuferable.

Both games are FAR TOO LOUD. She's always slipping and sliding and crashing and crunching and the games are so afraid to let you do more than 5 minutes of uninterupted platforming or puzzling. And if she is not slipping and sliding and crashing and crunching, there is shooting and booming and stabbing. 

The OG Reboot was good, I enjoyed it. The 2nd game is Poundland Uncharted, and I barely even enjoy the Uncharted games (for the same reasons as listed above). The skill trees, crafting and collectables are about as boringly implimented as they could have possibly been - there's scope there for tools and upgrades that make Lara move and feel different. Instead, it's the same upgrade paths and bonuses we see in, well, let's be honest...The Ubisoft Game.

They're cynical, too long, too bloated, they have the same repetitive story structure (including, might I add, the EXACT SAME CHARACTER ARCS FOR LARA AND JONAH!!), terrible characters overall, middling gameplay, boring XP and collectibles-based gameplay loops, poor stealth, awful swimming, not enough Tombs, too many trial and error OH MY GOD THIS IS SO LOUD AND YES THERE'S A LOT OF PARTICLE EFFECTS BUT IT'S NOTHING MORE THAN A DOGSHIT ON RAILS TRIAL AND ERROR HOLLYWOOD ACTION OH MY GOD WILL YOU PLEASE STOP BEING SO LOUD SETPIECES...I could go on.

Rise is boring over long garbo. Shadow is super garbo.

Minnesänger wrote:

I apologise.

Why? Stand by your comments. I agree with them.

There's about 20% of each game that is good and worth playing, the rest is drivel. And Lara has become the most annoying and offensive of characters.

acemuzzy wrote:

That long, moany moany post was a metaphor for the games I take it?

*like*

Moot_Geeza wrote:

Moot_Geeza wrote:

I can't remember much of Rise other than the fact that it scraped a [7] when I put it in the Play Lots Of Games thread.

Except it didn't.  I just looked and I gave it an [8].  Apparently I preferred the shooting to Uncharted and thought the climbing was more varied.

The climbing had some upgrades that opened new areas, Metroidvania style - there’s an arrow you can shoot into boards and perch off of which adds the veneer of choice to platforming, even if the use of that item is very prescribed. I’d wager it’s things like that which made the climbing feel more varied - which it is, tbf...they just don’t do much interesting with it, unfortunately.