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davyK

What was a 14 year old doing at a party in Spacey's apartment? I assume the party did not involve cakes, buns, Atari and balloon modelling.

If Spacey misbehaved then he needs to face the law but what the fuck was the young lad doing there?

Kazuo

Spacey’s misdemeanours have been an open secret in the theatre biz for years tbh.

b0r1s

davyK wrote:

What was a 14 year old doing at a party in Spacey's apartment? I assume the party did not involve cakes, buns, Atari and balloon modelling. If Spacey misbehaved then he needs to face the law but what the fuck was the young lad doing there?

I'm pretty sure that's not the tack we should be taking at all. I mean I was out trying to get served at fourteen (my very weak moustache may have helped!), but I didn't anticipate getting felt up by old men as a side effect.

davyK

You were in a pub. Were you accepting invitations "back to my place" from 27 year old men?

Nothing mitigates the crime by the way. No judge should lessen any punishment.

But that would offer no comfort to me if my daughter was raped. I'd rather be a bit pro-active about this. Kids need to be educated on how to stay safe. We teach them how to cross the road, We advise them to avoid being alone out at night and avoid unlit areas. We are now trying to teach them to stay safe online. A teen going to a party with a 27 year old is a risk I would advise my daughters not to take.

b0r1s

But what I'm saying is kids, certainly back in my day, were trying to get drinks underage and that would've been pubs and parties. I just don't think thats an excuse. Thinking of an analogy, is the reason for rape was that she was wearing a short skirt? You can't put the blame on the victim, imo.

LarryDavid

Kazuo wrote:

Spacey’s misdemeanours have been an open secret in the theatre biz for years tbh.

And the internet. I read about Spacey and Brian Singer years ago, I assumed everyone knew.

monkey

Dish the dirt then.

Diluted Dante

davyK wrote:

What was a 14 year old doing at a party in Spacey's apartment? I assume the party did not involve cakes, buns, Atari and balloon modelling. If Spacey misbehaved then he needs to face the law but what the fuck was the young lad doing there?

He's been acting since he was 9. Him and Spacey were in separate productions that were on at the same time and met at a post show function, where Spacey invited him and a friend to a nightclub. He was invited to a party at Spacey's apartment a few days later This was not considered unusual - most actors on Broadway are adults, but the child actors still mix with them.

Of course sexually assaulting someone is unusual.

LarryDavid

monkey wrote:

Dish the dirt then.

http://defamer.gawker.com/the-great-big-bryan-singer-sex-party-mailbag-1564764188

I mean, it could all be bollocks but it was out there years ago.

davyK

b0r1s wrote:

But what I'm saying is kids, certainly back in my day, were trying to get drinks underage and that would've been pubs and parties. I just don't think thats an excuse. Thinking of an analogy, is the reason for rape was that she was wearing a short skirt? You can't put the blame on the victim, imo.

Not saying that. The book should be thrown at anyone who takes advantage - no matter what the age or the length of the skirt. Not a day should be retracted for any reason. I thought I had made that clear.

davyK wrote:

If Spacey misbehaved then he needs to face the law

davyK wrote:

Nothing mitigates the crime by the way. No judge should lessen any punishment. But that would offer no comfort to me if my daughter was raped.

A nonce locked up after the event would be no comfort to me if it happened to one of mine.

That's all I'm saying. There's a real problem at the minute in the media with anyone who expresses a similar opinion. We owe it to ourselves and to our kids to do our best and stay safe from any crime. We need to realise that criminals and predators are out there and then behave appropriately. Everyone has a responsibility to themselves. These people need to be dealt with but howling about it afterwards won't take it back. And with something as heinous as a sexual crime the damage can be permanent.

Escape

TheDJR wrote:

Kevin Spacey? Say it ain't soze.

Facewon

Tier 1.

davyK

I'm not particularly surprised that he's gay. However I thought he was a classier act than what he appears to be.

Brooks

"Yuo cant trust them woofters around kids innit"

[Deleted User]

Before I start, I’d like to stress that I don’t know the details of the Spacey thing, and this is not a response to the Spacey thing directly, but more to some of the comments on here.

There is no excuse for sexual assault. That much is obvious. However, when there is a legal/moral issue in relation to the age of the victim, the circumstances can be an excuse for that factor.

A real world example; I’m aware of a chap who was charged with a sexual assault. He was kissing the victim, she was consenting, but when he tried to step things up a gear she said no, and he carried on regardless. The victim was fifteen, but the incident took place after they met in a nightclub. When it came to the trial, it was held that it was reasonable for him to assume that she was of age, given where they met. He was convicted of a sexual assault, rightly so, but he was not convicted of an offence against a minor. That does strike me as sensible.

poprock

Agreed. If a person reasonably presents themself as being of age, their partner generally shouldn’t be found guilty of sex with a minor.

cockbeard

I think the continental model of age difference should be applied in those cases. I'm of the belief that it already is, albeit discretionarally (likely not a word), in courts. If I'm 22 and I pull a 15-17 year old is one thing, but if I'm 32 it's quite clear that even if I claim to think she's 19 then I'm engaging in some weird probably predatory shit. I say this having spent a year or so shagging 19-21 year olds after turning 30, it wasn't about love (or even good sex) it was an ego boost fuelled by the societal norms telling me that younger and slimmer was better

Escape

Too-young haircuts will not be treated discretionally.

I do find it a bit depressing that I now consider women under 30 yoots.

davyK

Andy wrote:

Before I start, I’d like to stress that I don’t know the details of the Spacey thing, and this is not a response to the Spacey thing directly, but more to some of the comments on here. There is no excuse for sexual assault. That much is obvious. However, when there is a legal/moral issue in relation to the age of the victim, the circumstances can be an excuse for that factor. A real world example; I’m aware of a chap who was charged with a sexual assault. He was kissing the victim, she was consenting, but when he tried to step things up a gear she said no, and he carried on regardless. The victim was fifteen, but the incident took place after they met in a nightclub. When it came to the trial, it was held that it was reasonable for him to assume that she was of age, given where they met. He was convicted of a sexual assault, rightly so, but he was not convicted of an offence against a minor. That does strike me as sensible.

It's tricky. Context and all related facts are everything. The perceived wisdom of judges can be compromised by human frailties too.

Tricky.

Skerret

davyK wrote:

It's tricky.

Tricky.

Tricky!

Kow

To rock a rhyme that's right on time?

Roujin

No to pick an artist/musiciam/actor that you liked growing up that is not either dead or a sexual predator.

davyK

Roujin wrote:

No to pick an artist/musiciam/actor that you liked growing up that is not either dead or a sexual predator.

I remember when I was a kid my Dad stating that the whole of Hollywood was gay or sex mechanics apart from Bob Hope. Maybe he was right after all.

g.man

"sex mechanics"

Kow

Wasn't that a song by Duran Duran?

LarryDavid

"...they're all bummers, Son."

Skerret

Kow wrote:

Wasn't that a song by Duran Duran?

Nah title track off Sex and the Mechanics debut.

I wasn't there that morning
When Kev Spacey turned out gay
To distract from accusations
That he'd gone and dooone a raaaape

nick_md

Did anyone not know Kevin Spacey was gay? I mean, I know he only officially came out with this news, but a few of my friends were 'woooah, he's gay?'. I thought it was well known for ages.

[Deleted User]

Yeah, I was surprised by the number of articles referencing the fact that he “came out”.

Like...really?

nick_md

I hear Graham Norton's gonna come out next.

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