We Hate Adverts - The Bear and Badger

equinox_code

I'm not exactly sure how ad blocker works. Do video hosting platforms know when one is being used, and deduct that view count from what the content maker would have been paid?

Kow

Well sites certainly know if you're using an ad blocker.

Yossarian

Kow wrote:

Well sites certainly know if you're using an ad blocker.

Not exactly true. Sites can try and run specific actions which they would expect to be blocked by an ad blocker and test whether they work, but it isn’t a foolproof system.

equinox_code wrote:

I'm not exactly sure how ad blocker works. Do video hosting platforms know when one is being used, and deduct that view count from what the content maker would have been paid?

Payments don’t work that way, the advertiser knows whether their advert has been shown and pays based on that.

Kow

How much of an ad do you have to watch for them to get revenue?

Diluted Dante

Kow wrote:

How much of an ad do you have to watch for them to get revenue?

30 seconds, or all of it if less

equinox_code

Would it be possible to make an ad blocker that loads/registers the ad but then doesn't show me?

Maybe just highlighting how little I understand of this stuff.

I can empathise with content-making people wanting to get paid but I honestly don't care anywhere near enough to expose myself to adverts for the cause.

Kow

I don't watch any Youtubers but when I'm showing sprog a Peppa Pig clip I don't feel much need to sit through a twenty second ad for some shite toy. Neither Peppa Co. nor Google are desperately in need of ad revenue from me.

Brooks

Every so often I use Youtube on the mobile, and am reminded how fucking awful Youtube is with ads. I cannot go back to that being my internet consumption reality.

Yossarian

equinox_code wrote:

Would it be possible to make an ad blocker that loads/registers the ad but then doesn't show me?

Potentially, but then ad companies would just find a new way to track views.

Adblockers and advertisers are in a never-ending arms race.

Brooks

It's not even the downtime so much as the blast of unfiltered smarm I'm subjected to in any commercial. I am aesthetically offended, the worst offence.

Brooks

If you want me to buy your shit you need to at least be a bit sneaky about it, like quietly seeding niche communities with human-faced stories of problem solving and dialogue and and

LivDiv

I think there are now only a handful of youtubers who can make a reasonable living off ad revenue because youtube keep weighting returns towards the very, very top end of channels. People like pewdie pie and that 7 year old toy reviewer.

Liking, subscribing and the bell make a huge difference hence so many still pushing it.
Most though seem to be reliant on Patreon and side revenue like merchandise, in video promotions, sponsored vids, appearances or Twitch.

GooberTheHat

equinox_code wrote:

Would it be possible to make an ad blocker that loads/registers the ad but then doesn't show me?

Maybe just highlighting how little I understand of this stuff.

I can empathise with content-making people wanting to get paid but I honestly don't care anywhere near enough to expose myself to adverts for the cause.

Maybe something like a modified pi-hole, that resolves ad requests in the background but doesn't show them, so technically they are still "viewed", but not noticeable to the user?

GurtTractor

mistercrayon

If you pay 15 quid a month to take ads off YouTube and watch a Linus video it still contains at least three adverts as part of the content.

Escape

mistercrayon wrote:

If you pay 15 quid a month to take ads off YouTube and ~~watch a Linus video~~ drink Bro Bomb — all the energy, all the time — it still contains at least three adverts as part of the content.

Is the UFC commentary way, which I think is the worst of all.

b0r1s

mistercrayon wrote:

If you pay 15 quid a month to take ads off YouTube and watch a Linus video it still contains at least three adverts as part of the content.

WTF

Kow

I'm just waiting for ad makers to figure out that they can use the phone's camera and eye detection to insist that you keep your eyes on the ad for its duration.

b0r1s

Don’t give em ideas… they are listening

mistercrayon

b0r1s wrote:

mistercrayon wrote:

If you pay 15 quid a month to take ads off YouTube and watch a Linus video it still contains at least three adverts as part of the content.

WTF

Not sure what you’re wtf ing but it’s totally worth it to remove ads and get YT music.

b0r1s

I meant that is still has ads but I see you mean just ads the publisher has created in their content. I still think it’s far too expensive. I don’t care about YT music and £11.99 is far too expensive to remove ads.

RedDave2

b0r1s wrote:

mistercrayon wrote:

If you pay 15 quid a month to take ads off YouTube and watch a Linus video it still contains at least three adverts as part of the content.

WTF

I'm assuming that's the same as paying for Spotify and removing Spotify ads, but you still get sponsors on individual podcasts.

mistercrayon

b0r1s wrote:

I meant that is still has ads but I see you mean just ads the publisher has created in their content. I still think it’s far too expensive. I don’t care about YT music and £11.99 is far too expensive to remove ads.

Yeah for me the calculation has a couple of things - firstly it covers my and my partners accounts - YT music is a good enough substitute for Apple Music and if you get rid of ads you’ll see why it was so necessary to get rid of them. When I watch clips on Twitter or Sky now the irritation goes through the roof.

nick_md

I've said this before but I don't really care about ads on YouTube, they're either skippable by the time I reach the controller (particularly now I have to switch the fucker on) or last 20 seconds at most, in which case I scroll this place. I just don't care tbh.

nick_md

I watched a near 2hr video the other week and I think it had 2 ads in it. Highly inconvenient I know.

Kow

The place I really don't like ads is on YouTube when my kid is watching Gecko's Garage or something like that, where it pops up ads for all sorts of unsuitable things. He's learned how to skip but they're still a pain in the hole

nick_md

That I can understand. Don't know why but I thought kids YouTube (that is a thing isn't it?) didn't have ads.

nick_md

Don't know why I thought that if it isn't the case.

Kow

There is a kids' YouTube but I don't want to make him an account, and I presume it also has ads, but for even worse stuff like toys etc.

GooberTheHat

Kids YouTube is a thing, not sure if it has adds or not, but its content is limited.

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