re: Uncharted 4. Very bad ending and that epilogue. didn't see the point. I don't think any Uncharted game has a good ending, mind you how many games do have decent endings? Do we have a thread? Many games seem to have a disappointing ending, so I'd be interested in discussing games with clever, well executed finales.

Skondo wrote:

Childintime wrote:

Uncharted 4 I don't know why I bought it - I haven't really enjoyed the other games, but it was an impulse purchase. It's pretty, I'll give it that, and I don't actually mind the story. But the shooting, good god the shooting. Actively loathe the gunplay in this game. It's just so boring.

What would need to be done to improve the gunplay? I'm not disagreeing with you, just intrigued.

Shortening the range that enemies are accurate from and make them less liable to just run at you - I get the whole matinee thing, but it's dumb -and ditch those walking minigun bullet sponges. Also, don't checkpoint behind destructible scenery and make cover less sticky.

There's little challenge besides numbers - I prefer having to deal with enemies flanking me, as opposed to enemies coming from everywhere and heavily armoured hulks just walking through a hail of fire. The game wants you to move and flank but the health and bullet sponge enemies make that an absolute pain.

On a mechanical level - aiming feels floaty (hard to describe) and I think it's just too much like a CoD duck shoot. It's just dull, dull, dull.

I should write something about Firewatch, which I played the other night. Might be amusing to point out how I found it to have more immersion breaking bugs than Last Guardian. Or how putting too much game in it detracted from the experience for me.

Other thing that annoyed me was that it was a game that so often you had no idea what the game wanted you to do unless the game actually told you onscreen in BIG FUCKING TEXT what you should be doing. That's just terrible design.

Case in point. There's a bit towards the end where Drake surfaces on a beach. He kills a few mercs and then a big Armoured Vehicle pops up on a road above him and starts spraying him with it's turret.
Fortunately there's an RPG on the beach, so you grab that and blow the AV to smithereens.

So now you're wondering where to go next.
Wait, I can see a jeep parked up on the road behind where that AV came from. I must be trying to get to that (I am completely wrong about this).
At which point another AV the same as the first one drives down onto the beach and attacks you.

Now I've just dealt with one exactly the same as this, so I know what to do here.
Annoyingly though, I've dropped the RPG I had because I didn't need it after the battle with the first one was done, so I die over and over again trying to get to the RPG to take out this new AV threat.

Eventually I get the RPG back but then I die over and over again because the RPG is doing no damage to the AV at all.

I take refuge in a ruined house. It turns out there is a fence I can climb in there, but for once in this game it's actually not too obvious.

Once I'm up there the AV barrels through the house and we're into one of those fuckawful Crash Bandicoot homage set-pieces where the AV chases me through a town.

Terrible terrible design.
You have to rely on the game telling you what to do so often, that when it doesn't tell you what to do it becomes an exercise in frustration. I've just died probably a dozen or more times because the game failed to explain that I should now be running away from the same threat that I've had the power to destroy only moments before.

Drake must have a gazillion lines of throwaway dialogue. Did nobody at ND ever think it might be better for him to tell you what to do at times with his monologue rather than having to rely on BIG TEXT PROMPTS constantly appearing (or not in this case) on screen?

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Other thing that annoyed me was .... constantly appearing (or not in this case) on screen?

Should've just pressed up to win.

I enjoyed it, but it just wasn't as good as I expected it to be.

I've played both U2 and U4. The one is about as good as the other.

@g If you haven't played much of the series you may not have noticed that ND use colours to help you know where to go. On most of the games think it's yellow, but they've also used blues too. You'll see this colour on ledges and on walls subtly highlighting where you need to go. I'm not sure I saw the GIANT TEXT during my game at all - but it was a while ago that I played it. The rest of what you've said resonates with me though.

Nah, it's just a game that spends a gazillion dollars on showing off how clever the devs are, yet frequently gets the fundamentals hopelessly wrong.
It surprises me considering how long ND have been doing this sort of game.

Heh. Indeed. Another game that ended on a fucking QTE. Fortunately DL got a hell of a lot else right. Think I sank about 150hrs into it, which is three or four times more than any other single player game i can think of I've played.
Anyhoo, U4 was good. I enjoyed much of it. I just think it should have been better.

ND are hopeless at pacing.

Nah, 2 dragged badly imo

Which one had you shooting zombies in the dark?
Just terrible.

Haven't played tlou either.