acemuzzy wrote:They've been there done that
cockbeard wrote:forced other nations who have elected right wing governments to redo their elections threatening them with no entry to the EU etc
Brooks wrote:"I'm alright with inequality and greed from the elites and am willing to die poor and damaged for this creed just on the slither of a chance I somehow manage to end up an elite."
There's even the idea that people like them because they're flawed - makes them seem more genuine against the (fake) cleanliness of the most politicians. The more they make mistakes, sexist remarks, even seem self-interested etc., the more they seem in tune with ordinary people (or those people's perception of ordinary people). The rest of us are pointing and laughing, but it's doing them no harm.tin_robot wrote:The likes of Trump, Farage et al are pretty much untouchable purely because everyone already regards them as lying, cheating bastards. So any revelation of them being just that surprises no-one, and damages them not one iota. I've seen a few people talking about Trump who seem to actively like the fact that he's a swindler, because they've convinced themselves that he's going to swindle on their behalf...
I think what we've had recently is a watered down version of the US situation. That is, a neoliberalism with slightly more left leaning cultural values against a neoliberalism with more traditional cultural values. It's hard to describe New Labour as centre-left economically. In fact, Corbyn's Labour is no more than centre-left - basically the kind of social democracy that was accepted as the norm pre-1980s - but is now seen as radical (because the norm has shifted to the right so much).Liveinadive wrote:In the current situation in the UK we are facing the opposite to that point aren't we? We put centre-left up against right, they lost. We put left up against right, which has shifted further right and the result is going to be even worse. Overall I think politics is too complex to say put x against y. There are too many other things going on like brexit, wars, recessions.
monkey wrote:Trump is just against you, doesn't care about you and will actively try and destroy the things you care about.
tin_robot wrote:I seriously think that if you want to pull people back to the left it has little to do with voting, or even regular politics, and a lot more to do with reminding folks that the rest of the human race are people too, worthy of their time and respect.
Brooks wrote:"I'm alright with inequality and greed from the elites and am willing to die poor and damaged for this creed just on the slither of a chance I somehow manage to end up an elite."
Yossarian wrote:Carole Cadwalladr continues her investigation into Cambridge Analytica: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy
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