djchump wrote:You gotta lol about the justifications and waving away of the Russian issue. So Patriot, Much America!
RedDave2 wrote:Yossarian wrote:You’re missing my point. Yes, he has a hardcore fan base which none of this will shift, but I don’t think that everyone who elected him was in that hardcore, those softer votes are the ones that can be affected here, most likely being shown through lower turn-out in the midterms. It won’t take many of those being lost to see him in trouble in 2020.
I'm not talking about just his hardcore fanbase. I think he will have a lot of supporters who will try and reason this out. They will make excuses for him.
There's the white vote. Whether we agree with them or not, there is a sizable white america who feel their own country is being taken over by dark skinned people who have their own culture. They see their america changing and Trump is the defender of that. For these people (and I dont mean them as all racist, just those who are scared by change) his faults are outweighed by what he offers.
For others, America is in a better place jobs wise and market wise than before. They might not like the guy but why rock the boat when things are good?
Corrupt, charismatic Politicians are nothing new. Some people will be happy to excuse him because he is a 'winner'. It's not just an american things - Haughey in Ireland, Berlusconi in Italy...
For the money focused elite, Trump is their champion. Granted that might be a small vote but its still a vote (as well as financial backing)
There are also Conservatives who may not approve of him as a person but if he keeps them with control of the country, they have already shown they will give him a lot of leway.
Yossarian wrote:Trump won because of the white vote, that is his hardcore fan base. The rest is all soft support at best. He’s going to look a lot less like a winner if Trump junior is indicted (which is surely only a matter of time), while the money-focused elite are less than delighted with Trumps protectionist instincts, meanwhile the conservatives are precisely the soft support which I believe he is risking at the moment. They may be willing to give him leeway, but are they willing to go out and vote? That’s the question here.RedDave2 wrote:I'm not talking about just his hardcore fanbase. I think he will have a lot of supporters who will try and reason this out. They will make excuses for him. There's the white vote. Whether we agree with them or not, there is a sizable white america who feel their own country is being taken over by dark skinned people who have their own culture. They see their america changing and Trump is the defender of that. For these people (and I dont mean them as all racist, just those who are scared by change) his faults are outweighed by what he offers. For others, America is in a better place jobs wise and market wise than before. They might not like the guy but why rock the boat when things are good? Corrupt, charismatic Politicians are nothing new. Some people will be happy to excuse him because he is a 'winner'. It's not just an american things - Haughey in Ireland, Berlusconi in Italy... For the money focused elite, Trump is their champion. Granted that might be a small vote but its still a vote (as well as financial backing) There are also Conservatives who may not approve of him as a person but if he keeps them with control of the country, they have already shown they will give him a lot of leway.Yossarian wrote:You’re missing my point. Yes, he has a hardcore fan base which none of this will shift, but I don’t think that everyone who elected him was in that hardcore, those softer votes are the ones that can be affected here, most likely being shown through lower turn-out in the midterms. It won’t take many of those being lost to see him in trouble in 2020.
Diluted Dante wrote:Aside from being a woman and a Democrat, Warren is nothing like Clinton.
RedDave2 wrote:djchump wrote:You gotta lol about the justifications and waving away of the Russian issue. So Patriot, Much America!
I was genuinely eye opened by that. I knew America loved the cult of personality but I always figured patriotism would win out. What did I know?
g.man wrote:We're living in an age where an increasing amount of people genuinely believe the fucking world is flat, so a big thumbs up for Donald Trump doesn't suddenly seem like such a stretch of the imagination.
GooberTheHat wrote:RedDave2 wrote:djchump wrote:You gotta lol about the justifications and waving away of the Russian issue. So Patriot, Much America!
I was genuinely eye opened by that. I knew America loved the cult of personality but I always figured patriotism would win out. What did I know?
From my experience the majority of Americans don't support Trump.
Yossarian wrote:Most people currently expect democrats to take control of Congress in November. The senate is far less likely but not impossible, if they swing that too it will be a pretty remarkable repudiation of Trump.
RedDave2 wrote:I'm speaking in very broad strokes - age, gender, party politics, progressive (granted Warren is more). Personally I think she would have made a better candidate bringing a bit of the best of both Sanders and Clinton. But there's no room for subtlety in the American 2 party system.Diluted Dante wrote:Aside from being a woman and a Democrat, Warren is nothing like Clinton.
Presumably there's a point where that support suddenly vanishes. I don't think it's a gradual process, more like a swift 180 if/when the shit really hits the fan.RedDave2 wrote:Senior Republicans hesitate to criticise Trump after Manafort and Cohen verdicts https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/22/senior-republicans-hesitate-to-criticise-trump-after-manafort-and-cohen-verdicts?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Says a lot. To me anyway.
There are a lot of idiots in the world tho.GooberTheHat wrote:Not true, it's just the idiots that do are now able to be heard more easily.g.man wrote:We're living in an age where an increasing amount of people genuinely believe the fucking world is flat, so a big thumbs up for Donald Trump doesn't suddenly seem like such a stretch of the imagination.
djchump wrote:Yeah but they'll find something though. "Socialism" still seems to be a bad word for lots of Americans, because their healthcare system is so insane it's made them all insane.
Hopefully Ocasio-Cortez represents a new generation/wave coming through, rather than being an anomaly, but Donald Trump is president so there goes hope.
poprock wrote:I’m voting Frank Underwood. www.fu2016.com
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