That's still just 1 person though in Jon Lansman.

Obviously it's brought out the rent-a-quotes like Wes Streeting which has amplified it, but it doesn't appear to be some dastardly plot by Corbyn, just one dickhead abusing power.

There was this same thing with Watson last year. Some part of the Corbyn side of the party came up with the idea of having a female co-leader ie getting Watson into a position where he can’t possibly disagree or he’s sexist. He made all the right noises about being supportive of the idea then the idea died when put to a vote (iirc).

Corbyn voted against the whip many a time when a backbencher. It's easy to protest when in the cheap seats.

So is this Thomas Cook collapse a dry run for the brexit consequences on freedom of movement?

Unfortunately I think the writing was on the wall for Thomas Cook.
Demanding money straight up isnt unreasonable as there is no reason to suggest TC would be much more than a zombie company going forward.

The circumstances around their fall are almost identical to those faced by Monarch 2 years ago.

Consumer spending down.
The pound down.
Oil prices up.
Consumers opting for lower cost airlines.
Consumers opting to build their own holiday.
The longer haul destinations not covered by cheaper airlines having political disturbances putting off consumers (Turkey and Egypt for the main)


Nothing has changed in the 2 years since Monarch folded there are no signs of things improving in the future either.

There is also a lot of talk of this costing the Gov. The customers are for the most part ATOL protected which is like a centrally funded insurance policy that everyone who buys a package holiday pays into. This shouldn't end up costing the tax payer directly.

LivDiv wrote:

Looking at the wider picture I am quite happy to see package holidays die. Flying is horrific for the environment, an annual flight per person is is too much. The resorts are often exploitative and damaging to the local area, privatising beaches and bulldozing nature. People on these things often dont offer anything to small businesses, sticking to the resort exclusively. Likewise this means they absorb none of the culture and kids receive no educational value. The full board packages often encourage the worst kinds of gluttony.

I can agree with this to a certain extent, but some of it strikes me as a little snobbish and superior. I’m all for holidays that broaden my horizons and allow me to immerse myself in different cultures, but every now and then I’d like to be able to switch off for a week. I’ve been on precisely one package holiday as an adult, and would like to go on another next year; the thought of arriving at the airport and everything — travel, food, entertainment — all having been taken care of is appealing.

Don't think I've ever been on a package - Wifey has always sorted things out booking things separately even pre-web. I'd have no idea about booking a holiday. If it was left to me we would go nowhere...

Yossarian wrote:

Amazing.

Labour - the Party could officially adopt all THREE Brexit positions later on today, a spokeswoman confirms.

https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1176055266468683776

 

Thats depressing. I mean, does this mean the Lib dems and Brexit party are the only party with clear plans? I know Boris is mostly set on no deal (or is he???) but the overall conservatives seem quite mixed as well.

Yossarian wrote:

Amazing.

Labour - the Party could officially adopt all THREE Brexit positions later on today, a spokeswoman confirms.

https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1176055266468683776

This is from the Deputy Political Editor of The Sun. And what does it actually mean?

That argument holds up maybe a year or 2 ago. At this point it seems a mess. Maybe they will come out unified and strong, I hope so. But it's not good optics for the undecided voter.

Hands up labour vote.... yeah looks about right Jeremy.

Any idea what time?

Let's hope it's an interesting result.

I'd be surprised if that isn't the outcome tbh.

Unanimous