g.man wrote:

mistercrayon wrote:

No I don’t think “real world” is another matrix program.

Haven't seen the third, but I figured the machines realised their plug-ins were healthier mentally stimulated, so it worked like Arnie's fantasy holiday in Total Recall. Same dream (and arguably story), where they're fed a second layer as reality to save the day in.

Except my take was that Neo became conscious of this, and so the machines placated him as knowing-dreamstate god.

Unless he and others physically unplugged and used an escape shuttle back to Earth in the third film or something? If not, I think he was just in-situ Totalled to keep his brain function healthy.

Which sounds bleak, but I think it'd actually be quite blissful to prolong that moment you catch yourself dreaming and try not to wake, and that's what everything I've seen points to. Ultimate hippy Neo.

But obviously you couldn't have that as an official explanation. Nah, Neo goes into the realworld and kicks the machines asses and saves the universe. JUST LIKE I WOULD

Yossarian wrote:

Godfather part 2, Empire Strikes Back, Aliens, Terminator 2, I’m sure there are plenty of other examples as well.

By these examples you stop after two! I'll give you a Temple of Doom clause, where you get a third shot if you misfire. Back to the Future III wasted no time.

This is just my story based on what I've seen. There's no Wachowski explanation?

I watched The Shield's finale recently, and that's open-ended in terms of the viewer imagining what happened next (and in the past), but there's no fluff on it.

Reloaded bored the tits off me, so I'm not going back! All that proddy-prod no-stakes fighting, Smiths queueing up with Bruce Lee baddie routines. Felt like a third of the film was a rich man ignoring Bellucci's boobs to give us the definition of causality. That and the Pet Shop Albinos.

Neil Patrick Harris character is basically Jordan Peterson in this film isn’t he?

I haven't seen it yet but I suspect I'll find some enjoyment from it

And the action is decidedly non-Matrixy. A big crime in a Matrix movie.

It’s an interesting entry to the rather overburdened “nostalgic rerun with a mid-life crisis” wagon - slot it in there with Cobra-Kai.

Some people shouldn't send to the Internet.

RLM vid up. They will go to town on this

I'm gonna have a go at this tonight,

I once you have, you can't unsee it.

Minnesänger wrote:

g.man wrote:

It's...divisive...

It really is. I've tried to show it to people 3 or so times, on different occasions and they all had the same reaction, which is that they got about 30 minutes into the movie and wondered how long there was left. When I told them the movie had just started, they either stopped watching or went another 15 minutes before tapping out. They genuinely thought they had been watching for a good hour and a half.

Which...I get. It's a lot of movie in there, and it's just a relentless visual assault. If it doesn't click with you at all, it will feel ridiculously long. But, I loved it.

I love Speed Racer too. If you're not crying at the end you ain't human.

Watching Resurrection makes me want to go back and watch the movies the Wachowskis made together where they seemed to care about making exciting action. Heck even Jupiter Ascending had fun and exciting action in it. So weird that the action in Matrix 4 sucked hard. Surely even the 2nd unit action direction team would have been fans of the originals but this one just felt so lazily out together and thoughtlessly shot.

On second viewing of it (a slight mistake on my part to book myself twice before release) I actually quite liked the story. It was as good as I could hope from a nostalgia sequel. But man that action just lets it all down

What a mess!

The first movie was perfect. A revolutionary action movie with philosophical elements. It works as a standalone movie and ended perfectly.

...then followed the crushing disappointment of the sequels. Supposedly philosophical movies with action elements. Awful, awful movies.

The new one was interesting to a point, but had to build on the foundations of 2 and 3 so is ultimately doomed. Shitshow.