Their Best One - Studio Ghibli - The Bear and Badger

regmcfly

SpaceGazelle wrote:

I just think it's a little too distinct. Yes most directors have a style but this is more an over-style and it's pretty much relentless. I gets a bit, I dunno, sickly?

And scorsese and Spielberg and Bay and Wong Kar Wai and Nolan and Van Sant and Errol Morris and Ken Burns

They all need to sit doon too, right?

SpaceGazelle

PTA can do something like Licorice Pizza and There Will be Blood. There's no talking in TWBB for the first 20 mins and it's done in such a brutalist way. Even the score is brutal. LP is all chat, sweetness and California sunshine. Well and a pedo.

When you see one of his films you're never quite sure what you're going to get, except it's going to great.

SpaceGazelle

regmcfly wrote:

I just think it's a little too distinct. Yes most directors have a style but this is more an over-style and it's pretty much relentless. I gets a bit, I dunno, sickly?

And scorsese and Spielberg and Bay and Wong Kar Wai and Nolan and Van Sant and Errol Morris and Ken Burns They all need to sit doon too, right?

A little bit, yeah. Again, they're all good but Casino was basically Goodfellas and by The Irishman I was a little bored. Mean Streets wasn't like them but Taxi Driver was a better Mean Streets. Killers of the Flower Moon is looking good.

Speilberg films are always Speilberg but they're not as consisiently the same as WA. Jurrasic Park is not Schindler's List. Bay is just shite. Nolan is good but again, there's enough descrepancy. I suspect Oppenheimer will be very good, and different.

Ken Burns docs don't count.

The point is WA doesn't really seem to mature as a filmaker like the great ones do. His craft isn't getting better because it's exactly the same. Not sure Scorsese has matured well either but we'll see.

LivDiv

Scorsese has a decent range I think.
He is most famous for the gangster movies but he has had success outside of those with Hugo, Color of Money, The Aviator, Raging Bull, The King of Comedy.

Anderson I am bored of and I take the point that he hasnt really developed but I dont really mind. Plenty of people seem happy to watch his movies and they stand out from the rest.

SpaceGazelle

I guess soap operas don't change either and people fucking love them.

regmcfly

Ken Burns docs don't count.

Interesting. Documentarians are exempt from "same-ness"?

RedDave2

I'd understand the critique more if Anderson didn't have such a clear style. Like it or not, it's always clear when you are watching one of WAs movies. To some this might make his movies samey but if knowing he is the director is what's colouring your view of those movies, maybe that's as much of you.

LivDiv

If people were emulating his style or he was churning them out annually I would have more of an issue but when we have had as many John Wick films as Wes Anderson films in the same time frame I dont think he is the issue.

Thats before we get to Fast and the Furious, Marvel, DC, Disney chrun.

SpaceGazelle

regmcfly wrote:

Ken Burns docs don't count.

Interesting. Documentarians are exempt from "same-ness"?

I don't think sticking a bobble hat on a holocaust victim would be appropriate, so yes.

regmcfly

That's not what I was saying.

Let me give it back to you.

Baseball should be treated exactly the same way as the Civil War aye?

SpaceGazelle

RedDave2 wrote:

I'd understand the critique more if Anderson didn't have such a clear style. Like it or not, it's always clear when you are watching one of WAs movies. To some this might make his movies samey but if knowing he is the director is what's colouring your view of those movies, maybe that's as much of you.

I think he's just a safe pair of hands these days, which artistically is probably a bad thing. They know how much each film will cost and exactly how many people will watch it, so the financing is never a problem. Again, I don't mind him but I won't go out of my way to see him these days.

SpaceGazelle

regmcfly wrote:

That's not what I was saying. Let me give it back to you. Baseball should be treated exactly the same way as the Civil War aye?

Well the idea of a doc is to just tell the truth isn't it? There are only so many ways to jazz it up but I agree the tone could be a little different depending on the subject matter.

regmcfly

Jazz was a different documentary.

regmcfly

SpaceGazelle wrote:

regmcfly wrote:

That's not what I was saying. Let me give it back to you. Baseball should be treated exactly the same way as the Civil War aye?

Well the idea of a doc is to just tell the truth isn't it? There are only so many ways to jazz it up but I agree the tone could be a little different depending on the subject matter.

I also need to question your point about truth. Whose truth? Documentaries are never the truth. There are parties involved with points, ideologies and other aspects. One Day In September js a banging Oscar Winning Documentary until you look at who funded and made it.

Senna is a hagiography of the highest nature.

SpaceGazelle

I think we're getting a little off the point here but agree with Senna (once I'd googled hagiography) and I don't even like vroom vroom cars.

regmcfly

SpaceGazelle wrote:

I think we're getting a little off the point here but agree with Senna (once I'd googled hagiography) and I don't even like vroom vroom cars.

But that's what Kapadia does. He did exactly the same for Amy Winehouse.aint off topic.