Well yes buuuuuuut the more Realism/Seriousness of Tone a narrative is saddled with the more everything has to keep up. It's not surprising there's more of a bone to pick with magical shit now.

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I keep hearing of how a black actor responds to criticism of their being a storm trooper who isn't white. Where is this criticism? I've seen countless references to how ridiculous it is, but can't actually find it anywhere. Can anyone point me in the directions of the lols?

I don't think there was much of one really. Comments here and there as to be expected (it's the internet afterall.) then #Blackstormtrooper started trending and everyone started talking about how ridiculous it was, but I didn't seen any comments about it myself bar on a YouTube video or two.

fuck midichlorians. fuck them all. what was GL thinking??? The force is meant to be this mystical, magical thing not some easily measurable thang. Lawks tis a good thing the emperor didnt think of having force sensitive " detainment camps"

There are good and bad points to the extra, explained stuff.

Midichlorians are clearly an unnecessary explanation of something that was better left untouched.

The lightsaber is an extension of the user's personality and can be used as a visual clue therefore a bit of background explanation doesn't go a miss.

There is still no reason you can't look at that lightsaber and go "sweet epic lightsaber" like you were 12 still.

I think that's part of Morrison's point.

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Tempy wrote:

This is how it works: it is Star Wars. It's like that Morrison quote on Batman. Who pumps up the batmobiles tyres? No one, it's a fucking made up story.

I wonder if such a stance holds water when the creators themselves try and incorporate science! Into the body of the works though. Hello midochloriabs!

Well, yeah I think it does. Take Interstellar

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All that science does not ruin the tesseract/fiction stuff. It's SciFi. The grounding is enough for me.

Nolan's Batman is far too serious for its own good, but using the Tumbler as a "logical batmobile" doesn't ruin the bit where the pod bike does that dumb 180, or the truck flips over based on the strength of a handful of lampposts alone.

I haven't seen interstellar so I won't click that spoiler (deftly avoiding it during the quote). I suspect it's similar to the lines that gravity where the physics are wrong but who gives a shit.

All i meant was that if a person invites the viewer to some infinitesimal detail then the miroscope is available across all items.

In fantasy shit no one cares why gandalf is good at what he does but if they properly explained one thing then a whole can o worms is opened.

Just has a thought. Maybe science force was needed to avoid "feeling" a strong force in a little boy and the meme fun that would have caused.

Fully comp

Now you're just making it up.

I think if you're presenting, for example, a man that can fly by his own power, in a piece of media that's supposedly intended to be consumed by adults, it's not unreasonable to expect them to want some brief explanation as to how it's possible. Otherwise it's just a load of nonsense and resembles, like the Red Media guy said of the Phantom Menace, a story an 8 year old would tell.

The bible had loads of backstory.

The best and only good things about Star Wars are space magic and laser swords NEEEOOOOOWWW.  No need to question how they work, ffs.

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Otherwise it's just a load of nonsense and resembles, like the Red Media guy said of the Phantom Menace, a story an 8 year old would tell.

But using Phantom Menace is the wrong one for Red Media to make that point with. The actual political back story in the prequels is brilliantly laid out. It showed Lucas can provide adult plot lines in his space opera. The rise to power of Palpatine, one man, by using both sides fears and greed against each other is pure Shakespeare and would be an artful way to teach how the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Mugabe etc managed to gain power and how the populations that supported them were caught up in mass hysteria thanks to carefully laid out propaganda. An 8 year old would come up with the plot of the original trilogy, they're so simplistic. But, where Lucas stumbled badly was trying to take that adult story, full of darkness and deceit, and then overlay childish comedy relief like Jar Jar Binks and a godawful love story on top of it in an attempt to increase it's appeal. The prequel trilogy could have been so dark it made Empire look like Frozen but he bottled out. That the cast were so terrible didn't help either. Christiansen I can't blame. He was young, had little training and little exposure in Hollywood and was then thrust into the starring role in the biggest movie saga of all time with a director that even capable actors like Guinness and Ford say is near impossible to get any information out of. But Portman didn't have that excuse. She CAN act, yet she was utterly awful in Star Wars. At times it felt like she was deliberately trying to sabotage the movies she was so wooden. MacGregor wasn't much better either, preferring to do a pantomime impression of Alec Guinness rather than actually make the part his own. It left MacDiarmid to ham it up and steal every scene and Sam Jackson who should have had FAR more screen time to actually show there  were actors involved.

An adult story needs to actually be a story, not just a garbled mess of incoherent ideas that make no sense to anyone. That's the difference between being a good storyteller/director and just a fat idiot.

I do tend to agree that the actual plot isn't the problem. That was not hiring a scriptwriter to polish it up, especially the dialogue, then filming it all against a green screen and directing it himself, not managing to get decent performances from most of the cast in the process.

But if an 85 minute supercut turns up in "the wild" it'd be easy to pin the blame on Grace as the source of the material that he was only allowed to cut privately and thus he'd find himself against Lucasfilm/Dinsey legal teams, which is the kind of gun no one wants to stare down. Probably better to just avoid all that.