regmcfly wrote:Is it the old Republic - revan?
RamSteelwood wrote:if we're gonna fall out by digging deep on something that is glossed over in the film, let's make it about Palps having a secret son who not only passed on his power but somehow wasn't evil, and had a wife who also wasn't evil, both prepared to hide their daughter and die to keep her from him.
i think it may have been mentioned in here earlier, but i think I'd have preferred if Rey was some kind of clone/creation destined to be a new body for Palps, rather than direct offspring lineage.
Wether or not it was clear that Rey knew she could heal before the snake thing seems a minor sticking point in comparison!
That whole section of the film was rather contrived and ridiculous - tank track speeders, flipping flying storm troopers, the spaceship conveniently sat on top of a hill that no one else ever noticed or stole, finding the thing luke couldn't find by falling through some quick sand and 'oh there it is', threepio refusing to translate, Rey running and flipping and chopping the tie, chewie dying then not....Armitage_Shankburn wrote:I don't remember a snake at all, I guess this all happened during the early bit of the movie, when I had a nap. Think I nodded off for about 10 minutes or so. Might've accidentally made the best edit of this film, cos I thought it was awesome.
mistercrayon wrote:
Edit: also in the last Jedi she does go through this whole zen thing about life being interconnected with death etc
And she has palpatine inside her - and it seems like knowledge and power can transmit through souls and he has ostensibly healing/resurrection powers.
"I bought this decades ago, but if you look at this, you'll see it's never been opened. Ever," said Abrams. "Why have I not opened this, and why have I kept it?… It represents infinite possibility. It represents hope. It represents potential. What I love about this box — and what I realized I sort of do, in whatever it is that I do — is I find myself drawn to infinite possibility and that sense of potential. And I realize that mystery is the catalyst for imagination... What are stories besides mystery boxes?"
regmcfly wrote:The reason I can't truck with a lot of this conversation is with phrases like "undermining" when it was actually developing or adapting. It just throws TLJ under the bus whether intentionally or not.
regmcfly wrote:The reason I can't truck with a lot of this conversation is with phrases like "undermining" when it was actually developing or adapting. It just throws TLJ under the bus whether intentionally or not.
Armitage_Shankburn wrote:I wish I could sit next to Rian johnstone while he watches this movie for the first time!
Paul the sparky wrote:She's got plenty of transferable skills from fighting with her staff though.
Paul the sparky wrote:I've got a bigger problem with the mind trick thing to be honest.
ShabbyMcCrabby wrote:I like how Palpatine only has one strategy in his playbook, which is "show friends losing space battle through window".
It's in the mandalorian innitAndy wrote:I’m not 100% convinced the snake was the very first time we saw it, because I wasn’t remotely confused or surprised by what was happening.
Johnson compared his decision to the Darth Vader revelation in The Empire Strikes Back. The reason the “I am your father” line resonates so strongly, he explained, is not just because it’s a surprise—but because it’s the “hardest possible thing that Luke, and hence the audience, could hear at that moment.”
“You’ve had a bad guy that you can hate, that you can project your shadow on to just cleanly—and he’s evil . . . With that one line, ‘I am your father,’ suddenly that easy answer gets taken away from you, and he’s something that our protagonist has a relationship to,” Johnson said.
By comparison, Rey learning that she was related to someone like Luke Skywalker would have been “the easiest thing she could possibly hear.”
“The hardest thing to hear is, ‘Nope, this is not gonna define you,’” Johnson added. “And, in fact, Kylo is gonna use this to try and undercut your confidence so you’ll feel you have to lean on him for your identity . . . you’re gonna have to make the choice to find your own identity in this story.”
regmcfly wrote:Abrams' quotes have been very telling around the concepts for this movie.
Why is Palpatine in it?
"Why wouldn't he be?"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cinemablend.com/news/2485736/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-director-jj-abrams-has-a-simple-reason-for-including-palpatine
And why is Rey Palpatine's granddaughter? To one up The Last Jedi.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/starwars/amp/2019/12/21/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-jj-abrams-explains-twist-emperor-palpatine-legacy-lineage-rey-palpatine/
I'm reading into those with my own interpretation, of course, but still, it feels a little dull. Looking back at Rian Johnson talking about Rey being no one feels far more actually in tune with the world of Star Wars.
Johnson compared his decision to the Darth Vader revelation in The Empire Strikes Back. The reason the “I am your father” line resonates so strongly, he explained, is not just because it’s a surprise—but because it’s the “hardest possible thing that Luke, and hence the audience, could hear at that moment.”
“You’ve had a bad guy that you can hate, that you can project your shadow on to just cleanly—and he’s evil . . . With that one line, ‘I am your father,’ suddenly that easy answer gets taken away from you, and he’s something that our protagonist has a relationship to,” Johnson said.
By comparison, Rey learning that she was related to someone like Luke Skywalker would have been “the easiest thing she could possibly hear.”
“The hardest thing to hear is, ‘Nope, this is not gonna define you,’” Johnson added. “And, in fact, Kylo is gonna use this to try and undercut your confidence so you’ll feel you have to lean on him for your identity . . . you’re gonna have to make the choice to find your own identity in this story.”
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