Yossarian wrote:Because you’re profiting off their labour.
RedDave2 wrote:Yossarian wrote:Because you’re profiting off their labour.
They are profiting of your business.
I mean I buy produce from my veg man and make a profit of his work but I'm not obligated to make sure he has sold enough that work to make ends meet.
Yossarian wrote:Not if they can’t afford to live on their wages, they aren’t.
RedDave2 wrote:Yossarian wrote:Not if they can’t afford to live on their wages, they aren’t.
But that's up to them to sort Yoss. They don't have to take the Job I'm offering if the terms don't suit. Or they don't have to stay once a better offer comes along. And if no one takes the money I offer I either have to offer more or not employ someone and try to cover the work another way.
RedDave2 wrote:Also just because you have employees , it does not mean you are making money. If no one comes into my business today I still will pay my staff. Who has profited then?
Yossarian wrote:RedDave2 wrote:Yossarian wrote:Not if they can’t afford to live on their wages, they aren’t.
But that's up to them to sort Yoss. They don't have to take the Job I'm offering if the terms don't suit. Or they don't have to stay once a better offer comes along. And if no one takes the money I offer I either have to offer more or not employ someone and try to cover the work another way.
Do people really have that choice, though?
Here in the UK, if you’re on benefits and you’re offered a job and you turn it down, your benefits are cut off.
And is everyone getting better offers? Some people will never climb the ladder, they’ll never earn more than minimum wage for whatever reason. Do they deserve to never be able to afford to live because they don’t have the skills to change their jobs?
RedDave2 wrote:Yossarian wrote:It’s not a separate issue, they’re intrinsically linked. Ultimately, of course it falls to the government to subsidise these wages, who else does it fall on if you don’t have family who can look after you?
So it falls on the employer?
Why? Why is it their responsibility that you have enough to live on, just because you do work for them?
Funkstain wrote:WtafRedDave2 wrote:So it falls on the employer? Why? Why is it their responsibility that you have enough to live on, just because you do work for them?Yossarian wrote:It’s not a separate issue, they’re intrinsically linked. Ultimately, of course it falls to the government to subsidise these wages, who else does it fall on if you don’t have family who can look after you?
RedDave2 wrote:No one is contracting someone to do 100s of hours of work for a tenner though are they.
RedDave2 wrote:I'm completely for workers having rights and being treated with dignity. I just don't feel its a fair expectation that every job has to be enough to sustain a single adults life style. Unless you put a ceiling on what a person can earn or at least a rubber band link (ie top earner can only be x times minimum wage) than there will always be this problem and hiking the minimum wage up won't solve it... It's up to the employer to work out what they can pay that get that help from someone. If they can't afford the extra help, it's not on the government to fill the gap (with the exception if we are talking grants to help start ups grow to a point where they can employ more people on their own)
Yossarian wrote:I mean, we wouldn’t tell small businesses that they didn’t have to comply with waste disposal laws due to the cost on their business, would we?
Yossarian wrote:I don’t care one bit if jobs that don’t offer living wages disappear because of this. I don’t see it as a positive thing at all that there may be some people working 40 hours per week who can’t afford to live on their wages.
Roujin wrote:If only there had been in recent history a time where a typical single full time wage was enough to pay for shelter, food, transport, etc for a small family.
Alas this utpoian fever dream never happened so we can only speculate how truly damaging for the economy and small business it would be if wages were in line with cost of living and inflation.
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