I thought the structure and pacing of the levels was fine. As for the Prometheans, they're actually pretty decent (if tough) enemies with poor visual feedback which meant that most people seemed to treat them as bullet sponges rather than using tactics against them that may actually prove effective.

hylian_elf wrote:

acemuzzy wrote:

(And, joking aside, that's part of the reason I find voting for Journey do odd. I can see it might have given short-term joy, but can't see how it holds up to scrutiny on reflection.)

 
Yes, joking aside, would you say we should consider replayability here? If someone who has never played Journey before played it now, it would be just as great as if played on release. But it is indeed almost a play-once kinda game. Then again, most singleplayer games aren't as enjoyable second time through. If they are, that's a great bonus but given the amount of games out there waiting to be played, replaying a singleplayer isn't the highest in a lot of people's agendas. I haven't replayed Skyward Sword, but if I did, I doubt I would enjoy it anywhere near as much as my first playthrough.

No, I don't think replayability should be an explicit factor (thought it's obviously important for titles such as FIFA ).

What I'm more getting at is my old thing of subjectivity vs. objectivity I guess.  I'll try and be as objective as I can with my list (though I realise not everyone will, and many deliberately won't because they'll think the whole purpose of the list is subjectivity, and they may well be right, but hey ho).  Basically I can see that you might have subjectively thought it was good, but can you really objectively say it was?

I think my equivalent game is Motorstorm (I've already been mocked for it above no less!).  It's top 3 this gen for personal enjoyment gained, but I'm not sure it will make my list despite that, as I'm aware that for whatever reasons I enjoyed it more than most.  Obviously I'll be trying hard to find objective rationale for rating it highly (and have some detailed schpiel already lined up).  Your equivalent blurb in Post #3 is deeply personal - and while it seems unfair of me to object to it on those grounds, that's what I'm gonna do

@ace: I think it's way too difficult to be totally objective. One can try, but then you start falling into the realms of listing other peoples GOTG and not your own. See Dynamite posts. If I was to try and be totally or vastly objective then I probably wouldn't rate many games at all. See all posts by Brooks.

I'm putting Journey there because, yes, it 'connected' with me and for a game to (have the ability to) do that is great. And it's not just me, judging by all the critics reactions, the stupid number of awards and the others who loved it. But that also has to do with it being considered 'art' perhaps.

Halo 3 is my GOTG, by a landslide.

hylian_elf wrote:

(And, joking aside, that's part of the reason I find voting for Journey do odd. I can see it might have given short-term joy, but can't see how it holds up to scrutiny on reflection.)

Yes, joking aside, would you say we should consider replayability here?

Hmmm...

Portal is undoubtably iconic, represents a paradigm shift, and although it's not on my list, it's definitely a GOTG candidate... But it's not repayable. There are some interesting Youtube videos of some hardcore play though.

...

Thinking about what Ace wrote, If I were to draw up a personal list, the SF4 would still make it... And if there was a copy on Vita I'd... Well... I'd still be rinsing Persona like a fucking Weeaboo, but I would practice/play SF4. 

I gave my Xbox away about a year ago, and it's about the only game on the system that I truly miss. I'll buy Ultra on the PC this time.

...

Arkhams' Asylum was also really good for me, but GOTG? 
I don't think so.

I mean, the generation before gave us GTA3... And Arkham asylum, in many ways, took a step back from that, technically. Maybe that's why I liked the game so much... It was a throwback to old school, SNES style game design. The type of game that many developers are now leaving behind...

I think the devco itself also realised this, so they followed up with Arkhams' City... Which was essentially GTA & The Dark Knight.

And then there's Machinarium, which is an extremely thoughtful game, and I got bang into that. But it's nowhere near as good as Grim Fandango.

I could go on...

I think my list of Wii-Sports, SF4 and CoD4 is fine.

Oh, and forget I ever mentioned Halo 4. 
Now that I think of it, that game's essentially a response to CoD4.

Again, also understand that I'm not a big FPS fan, but I can see a very interesting argument forming... Here's a good starting point for it..

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2008/02/02/clash-of-the-titans-call-of-duty-4-vs-halo-3

Well... 

No one else is voting for Wii-Sports, even though Nintendo have essentially designed the XBone...

Provisional top 12, in rough order, sans commentary while I ponder matters in more detail.

Uncharted 2
Super Meat Boy
Demon's Souls
COD:MW (in the hope of some peace and quiet during Gonz's self-inflicted exile)
Burnout Paradise
Batman AA
Mario Galaxy 2
Portal
Zelda: ALBW (or is that exempt, I've got confused)
Wii Sports
Motorstorm PR (cos it objectively rocks)
Flight Control (mainly to annoy Dante)

Halo 3 will likely top my list too. Cod 4 would also be up there.

And Rock Band 3, which is bound to annoy all of you.

1) Fire Emblem 3ds
2) Halo 3
3) Peggle
4) Plants Vs Zombies
5) SFIV
6) Zelda ALBW
7) GTAIV
Street Pass Plaza games (3DS)
9) Defence Grid
10) NSS (IOS)

Paul the sparky wrote:

Yossarian wrote:

Yep. You talk about CoD's influence, part of that influence was almost ruining Halo. Definitely no GotG for me.

Just because Bungie and DICE fucked their own games by trying to copy CoD doesn't mean you can't vote for CoD4 as one of the best games of the generation. I'm not happy at the direction FPS games have taken post CoD selling record numbers, but I can't hold it against CoD4, it was a great game.

No, I won't vote for it because I didn't think it was very good.

And it was 343 that tried to CoDify Halo, not Bungie. /nitpicking.

Oh, um. Yeah, it was 343, not Bungie. YEAH, PAUL! YOU GOT TOLD!

You see, despite all of CoD's problems, the franchise still acquires new fans, which suggests that there are fewer problems with the design than we think (of the multiplayer game at least).

The game does well to encourage team work and social play...
More so than Halo, no?

I thought Bungie did Reach, and stuff like perks had crept in then?