Also one was being put out there for fame, money, exposure.

The other is demanding a future for her entirely age group.

This is some galaxy brain comparison.

From what I’ve read some people feel she is being exploited and being put forward as ‘the face of climate change’ by companies and Silicon Valley backers to promote a corporate friendly version of climate change activism, ie not radical enough .... but I know little about it and haven’t bothered to investigate further, so couldn’t really say.

Obviously, the right wing response is either ‘I’m not being told what to do by some uppity teen, I’ll pump out even more pollution just to spite you, missy! or ‘I read something, somewhere that said climate change doesn’t even EXIST and it’s all just another leftwing conspiracy!’

Right wing climate change deniers are the same as Holocaust deniers, Flat Earthers, Anti-Vaxxers and other conspiracy theorists, it doesn’t matter what evidence you present, to them it’s a matter of faith and faith doesn’t require evidence, for they are the keepers of a more profound special truth, that only they can see.

LarryDavid wrote:

Corporate sabotage of climate change activism is of course completely feasible and no doubt happens, whether they were using this girl for those purposes wasn’t really proved or disproved.

And

Vela wrote:

@dyno I think regardless of what greta says she is arguing a point and calling out hypocrites and opponents alike. Those who don't like her are attacking her, not her arguments.

I'm well aware of that... Like the vile shit that Aron Banks was caught saying.

Which is exactly why I'm asking about who would put their kid in that position? Because not many people would. So yeah... I did offer 'Honey Boo Boo' as a very (actually, I would state, 'fairly'...) distant point of reference to encourage a little lateral thought. 

But Greta's current position, whether it obtains some permanence, or whether, like many internet fashions, it does end up, like Kony 2012, in the 'Wtf was that about, really?' folder of new media anomalies, is unique. 

Most especially because of her age.

So for me, Honey Boo Boo has been one lens through which I've tried to look at this (she wanted to do it. Her mother definitely wanted her to do it. 'Boo Boo' herself wasn't going to say no, but did that validate her mother's actions? I personally don't know... Same with Greta, really. But the stakes in Greta's case, are much higher).

Gina Miller, is undoubtedly another frame of reference. Very high profile, very high stakes. But given Gina's age, bearing, and actions, it's much harder to claim she's being manipulated in anyway.

Not sure if Reg has offered an opinion on this specific subject at any point in the recent past, but thinking about it, he's probably the resident expert on this argument.

Yossarian wrote:

So for me, Honey Boo Boo has been one lens through which I've tried to look at this (she wanted to do it. Her mother definitely wanted her to do it. 'Boo Boo' herself wasn't going to say no, but did that validate her mother's actions? I personally don't know... Same with Greta, really. But the stakes in Greta's case, are much higher).

Are you saying Greta has been pushed into this position by her mother and, if so, do you have any evidence for that claim?

Like Larry has said, I really don't know.

If you start reading around the subject, some people will offer theories, and in some cases, verifiable names (PR companies). Also, the background of Greta's parents are far from a secret, and make for interesting reading.

I've got no real conclusions here. 
I just think it's anomalous, and worth the conversation.

There’s a massive difference between parents actively encouraging awful behaviour from a 6 year old because it sells, and will make them personally incredibly rich, and parents supporting the well-behaved actions of a 15 year old because she wants to do the right thing for the good of everyone.

I find it incredible that we’re even having this conversation, tbh.

Yossarian wrote:

I think it’s right-wingers trying to distract from a message which they are unable to argue against and so making up some rubbish about her being a puppet and it isn’t worthy of a moment of our time.

Considering it followed everything from attacking her age, her looks and her mental state, I think that’s a given.

It’s the only play they’ve got and one that they’ve overused so many times it’s become farcical.

Vela wrote:

She frightens people because the odds are she's right.

Hmm...

Could be bait... X'D

No bait, dyno.

I can imagine that. In any country, tbh.

Interesting story...
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/10/09/exposure-to-air-pollution-is-linked-to-an-increase-in-violent-crime

That's the thing about this Greta / Extinction rebellion movement. Quite apart from the scientific debate (yeah, yeah, there is no debate...), the movement stinks of upper middle class exclusivity.

This kind of story though. It's measurable, everyone has a stake, and it's also in line with long term goals. Whether that longterm objective appears to be attainable or misinformed.

It’s something being talked about.

I’d post a link, but I’m a little drunk and it doesn’t seem to want to play ball.

Kara_Jane_Adams wrote:

It’s something being talked about. I’d post a link, but I’m a little drunk and it doesn’t seem to want to play ball.

I've felt this way for a very long time.
Sober up and post, dammit.

That's my take on it.
I am sure plenty of working class people want to go but are either working or can't afford the transport.

The higher class someone is the more they should shoulder as well. The poor arent flying off on holiday 3 times a year and driving Range Rovers.
The poor rarely have a choice in their carbon footprint.

LivDiv wrote:

That's my take on it.
I am sure plenty of working class people want to go but are either working or can't afford the transport.

There’s tons of them especially in the Black and Latino communities, they just seem to be massively underrepresented in the media coverage.

It’s a worldwide movement of incredible depth, but almost all of the coverage is predominantly white.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/extinction-rebellion-race_uk_5cb97c0de4b06605e3ed510c?