Yossarian wrote:

acemuzzy wrote:

Having been optimistic at the last three elections (well, 2015, referendum, trump) I'm going full on pessimism for this one. Followed by emigration somewhere.

As I said earlier in this thread, I'm fully expecting a huge Tory majority from this. Pretty much the only way that things could turn out worse is if we somehow manage to vote in Stalin, and his reanimated corpse packs us off to the gulag.

It's an oddly liberating feeling.

Stalin would be on our side (for a bit).

Tbf we wouldn't need any visas for a gulag.

Doesn't matter if Corbyn addresses the public directly; it will be extremely hard to combat rhetoric such as 'how can you unite and lead a country when you can't even unite and lead your party?'

Crosby will have the Cons destroying his credibility at every opportunity.

We're supposed to be the United Kingdom,duh.

I'm not sure many people appreciate the difference between democracy and mob rule at this stage. Certainly the further right you go.

The whole United thing really pisses me off.
A decade of politicians and the media pointing fingers at groups to deflect blame from themselves and the super rich.

Blame the poor on benefits, the gypsies, the immigrants, blame the EU and Russia or the brown people over there.

A decade of division.

Then when the people get tired of that and talk back we are told to unite.
I don't hear "Unite" I hear "Sit down and shut up".

djchump wrote:

Doesn't this whole "we must unite the country" rhetoric kinda make a mockery of the idea of democracy?
In that, nearly half the country didn't (and still don't) want brexit, so why the fuck would or should they unite and support it? Surely it's entirely our right to dissent?

You've clearly failed to understand the situation Chump. A MAJORITY voted for Brexit - so anyone who didn't is in the MINORITY and if you complain about it at all you are clearly a REMOANER, ANTI-DEMOCRATIC and HATE BRITAIN.

It was voted for by a majority. A CLEAR majority. THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY. Everyone voted to leave the EU, stop immigration, make Britain Great Again.

Gremill wrote:

A MAJORITY voted for Brexit - so anyone who didn't is in the MINORITY.

… And you know what we think of ‘minorities’, eh?

acemuzzy wrote:

Tories are easily going to get a majority.

Almost certainly.

After the Trump debacle, this actually fills me with hope

I've been thinking this.

The Brexit referendum was uniquely polarising, and a good number of people have questioned their leave vote. Very few people have questioned their stay vote. If there was a second referendum, what do you think the split would be a second time?

60/40 to remain this time, perhaps?

Where Theresa has tied her colours to a Brexit, that will have a marked negative effect.

If Labour was championing a campaign to reverse the referendum decision, there was no way Theresa May was going to risk losing her position. But even without clear opposition, everyone remembers Farage, Trump and Boris. Everyone's starting to talk about the price of olive oil and tomatoes...

It's not over, by a long shot, but Corbyn is not helping.

That said, Labour couldn't risk pissing off 50% of voters by rejecting Brexit either... His basic campaign outline ('public services, especially schools and the NHS have been mismanaged') is sensible, but it will go over most heads...

His best bet then, is to spend most of the time describing the softest possible Brexit, in near perfect detail...

That way, he'd make Theresa and her lack of planning, look incompetent.
What's more, I suspect a soft Brexit would cost less, and be easier to negotiate.

As much as I criticise him, Corbyn has started this campaign well. His only chance of success is to embrace populism and keep hammering away with the 'us and them' message. He needs to win back the working class vote that was lost to UKIP. His strategists need to be looking at Podemos and Syriza; to a lesser extent taking notice of the campaigns of right wing populists like Trump, Le Pen and Wilders. Populism over nativism.

Yossarian wrote:

If anything, polls show an increase in support for leave since the referendum. Public opinion may yet shift the other way, but it hasn't done so yet.

You know how subtle some of those polls can be though...

Shit like:

'Now that parliament has ratified the intention to trigger Article 50, are you still happy with your MP?'

Or some jumbled shit like that.

7 weeks though... 

I've just spent like, 30 seconds reading about the last time a snap election was called... Shit wasn't pretty back then either.

Not a position any MP (Prime or otherwise) would want.
It's pure chaos.

I wouldn't blame the polls, the shift seems pretty consistent across those that I've seen. If it was a question of how it was worded, you'd expect some going on the other direction.

cockbeard wrote:

intending it's the early eighties and the Jess will fuck him no matter what he does

If Postman Pat's not in Corbyn's corner, who is.

Escape wrote:

cockbeard wrote:

intending it's the early eighties and the Jess will fuck him no matter what he does

If Postman Pat's not in Corbyn's corner, who is.

Well they're not public workers anymore are they

That said though, in Finland the Post Office already deliver milk, yoghurt, bread and other essentials (like the old milkman used to do) and now they'll even mow the front lawn for you as well

Well I think the logic is that we have had the chance to veto stuff we didn't like already, so enshrining current EU law isn't a problem, it's the future EU laws they're worried about

But yes, a lot of retardedness all over, where's that lotto win