monkey wrote:I've come round (a bit) to Corbyn on this.
When Brexit inevitably assplodes everywhere, Labour will be blamed by the Tories for frustrating the process, binding the government's hands in some vague, non-specified way and causing the whole thing to collapse. The tabloids will pile in and now it's all Labour's fault.
Without a Tory rebellion, it doesn't matter what Labour do in the meantime.
Not that I'm in favour of fudging it really, and this presumes some degree of strategy from Corbyn which may be imaginary.
Diluted Dante wrote:Labour dont need an official position that makes sense until there is an election.
If the meaningful vote ever happens, and if it doesn’t pass, Brexit will be cancelled. Labour and Remainer Tory MPs will only do it if they’ve got the country on side. At which point, what are they doing then? No time for renegotiation, current deal rejected. Cancellation the only option.Yossarian wrote:monkey wrote:I've come round (a bit) to Corbyn on this.
When Brexit inevitably assplodes everywhere, Labour will be blamed by the Tories for frustrating the process, binding the government's hands in some vague, non-specified way and causing the whole thing to collapse. The tabloids will pile in and now it's all Labour's fault.
Without a Tory rebellion, it doesn't matter what Labour do in the meantime.
Not that I'm in favour of fudging it really, and this presumes some degree of strategy from Corbyn which may be imaginary.
On the other hand, Labour’s official position on what would make a good Brexit deal are every bit as fantastical and unachievable as the Tories’. If this meaningful vote thing were to bring down the government and Labour took power, they’d do so based on promises they can’t fulfil.
Brooks wrote:One of the earliest fucking points of international socialism is the international bit. Erecting further borders is very dumb.
Diluted Dante wrote:Then there is an election and Labour put out a Manifesto.
Oh. Well I can't see that happening. May's approach has been to stick to as hard a Brexit as possible, for as long as possible, with as little scrutiny as she can get away with. Anytime reality intrudes and she can't proceed, give as few concessions as she needs to to let the thing pass, worrying about what she's agreed to the next time around. Then do the same thing next time. So if it's a choice between govt collapse now or in a few months, then she'll just take the latter choice.Yossarian wrote:I meant if the row over the meaningful vote amendment were to bring down the government.
You mean the one the government shored up support for and won comfortably?Diluted Dante wrote:If the policy was to abstain when it looks like the government might lose, why would Labour be voting for the meaningful vote?
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