The British Politics Thread - The Bear and Badger

Diluted Dante

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

If enough Tory MPs (Ken C, Grieve, Gayle etc) vote a no deal brexit govt down, will Hoey vote with labour against that govt? Probably not.

I doubt it. She thinks no deal is fine.

I think this new poll that is saying that people don’t fear a no deal Brexit is very interesting because I think people don’t.

“I think they realise that the rest of the world is using WTO rules.

“What is so special about the European Union?

“Particularly as its economy is shrinking and we are actually trading far more with the rest of the world and that is increasing every year.

So I was pleased at that because I think in the end a no deal for me, World Trade Organisation, it is not a no deal. It is a different deal. And it is a deal that would allow us our independence.

“No deal, no problem.”

RedDave2

Jaysus, the lack of awareness from her as to what the EU is, genuinely astounds me. I'd expect from a person on the street (not excuse it mind) but for an elected person to say the above is something else.

Armitage_Shankburn

Literally no self respecting first world country relies on wto most favoured nation to trade. 100% of developing world countri s have some kind of trade deal in respect of something, all would kill for a comprehensive deal with the EU or US. It's remarkable how ignorant some long-standing politicians are. Absolutely utterly astounding.

LivDiv

And yet also entirely predictable.

b0r1s

It’s predictable and intentional. It’s this fucking dream of the Empire and the “British” stubbornness. I was watching the beeb interviewing locals in some town and it was the typical white older people who were like “well it just needs to happen we’ve been messed about too much”.

I’m sorry but I’d rather they broad back monarchy or dictatorship than let these thick inbred backwards lot determine my future.

poprock

Tough. There are more of them than there are of us. And more of them vote. We live in their country, they don’t live in ours.

acemuzzy

God Johnson is unbearable

acemuzzy

I mean Hunt kinda is too, but not nearly so much. BoJo is basically incoherent.

acemuzzy

So damn rude too

LivDiv

Just shout until ad break, he knows what he is doing.

LivDiv

Hunt was much more convincing there but it doesnt matter at all, Boris is prime buffoon. He could have walked out beating his girlfriend up and would still be selected.

Blocks100

Shouting over his opponent, Boris's camp had obviously told their man to just 'do a Trump'. And this is the future that awaits us. Lorded over by a baby-man who bawls down opposition whilst making infantile jokes that his audience just laps up. Donald in all but name.

Tempy

BoJo’s Bizarre Adventure: Bullingdon Is Electable

JonB

They aren't exactly comparable by any means, but Boris is our version of Trump more or less.

Not only are the people who support these kinds of leaders not put off by their incompetence, they're encouraged by it.

LivDiv

Boris and his supporters are largely cut from the same cloth.
Nothing bad ever happens to them, they never have to struggle. Their lack of compassion and respect is rewarded from a young age.

They have never had to worry about putting food on the table, never been told or have to tell their kids no, never ran out of money before the end of the month, got into debt to pay a rental deposit or to fix the boiler. How could they possibly understand the plight of the average joe?

Trying to relate to them is as useful as trying to have a conversation with a duck.

Yossarian

I don’t think Johnson is really comparable to Trump, tbh. Johnson may want to play the populist, nativist card as far as it serves him, but I think he’s intelligent enough to work out what going balls deep into that might actually mean.

Farage could be our Trump. For him this kind of crap feels less like a tactic and more like a genuinely held belief.

acemuzzy

I think that's one set of their supporters. There's another set who are downtrodden & just one something *different*, as more of the same just destined them to more of the same.

(@liv)

RedDave2

Yossarian wrote:

I don’t think Johnson is really comparable to Trump, tbh. Johnson may want to play the populist, nativist card as far as it serves him, but I think he’s intelligent enough to work out what going balls deep into that might actually mean.

Farage could be our Trump. For him this kind of crap feels less like a tactic and more like a genuinely held belief.

Not sure I agree but I see where you are coming from. Boris is a bit more like George w.

I really think your trump is yet to show themselves. What's the odds on someone like Aaron Banks or Tim Martin thinking that they can have a go at it?

Yossarian

Fewer than half of Tory members have so far voted in the leadership contest and sent back their ballot to party HQ - the assumption that they would all make up their mind in a flash has turned out to be wrong

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1149340645116588034

Reasonable chance, however, that the other half are simply too senile to vote at all.

RedDave2

Is there a chance that it turns out Bart, I mean Boris, forgets to get all his people to vote and Martin, I mean Hunt wins the election against the odds?

Lord_Griff

Back stop gets definitive time horizon. Boris gets a deal through, calls general election, General Election doesn't answer, calls a General Election, capitalises on positive sentiment, forms a majority government in 2020.

acemuzzy

Shameless, as ever...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/11/amber-rudd-drops-opposition-to-no-deal-brexit

Yossarian

Lord_Griff wrote:

Back stop gets definitive time horizon. Boris gets a deal through

Pigs fly, the rain turns to Irn Bru, unicorns invade Wales.

davyK

So the civil service are absolutely neutral and act without political bias.

A senior civil servant in N.Ireland was compensated to the tune of £10,000 for the stress caused walking past a portrait of QE2 and DoE, signed off by the secretary of state for NI.

The portrait has been replaced with a picture of E & P meeting citizens.

Diluted Dante

I can't comment on the size of the compensation, but replacing portraits with pictures of them meeting citizens in NI seems a reasonable compromise.

RedDave2

The compensation seems absolutely ridiculous. The compromise on the portraits for photos seems to be all that was needed.

davyK

The guy was working for the Imperial Civil Service.

The clue is in the title when he applied for the job.

davyK

Actually strike that - it is the NICS - but it still stands.

I agree the replacements are probably more appropriate but I'd argue his response means he is not neutral in his politics even allowing for the fact that the Royals are not political.

davyK

I've just tolerated another 12th July and the shenanigans leading up to it which probably didn't make national news (armed loyalist terrorist organisation scares off contractor commissioned to remove dangerous bonfire from local government property).

Pretty sick of this place at the minute.

No doubt it will pass.

acemuzzy

So they think they have the leaker. Would be good if there was a path back from them to a big name, sounds like it was someone more junior doing the actual legwork...

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