The British Politics Thread - The Bear and Badger

RedDave2

In all seriousness, I can only put it down to a lot more people dont really follow Politics beyond the headlines and only get the soundbite version. Otherwise I can't understand how so many bullshit politicians get by in so many countries.

Watching interviews and most news reports, Johnson comes across as so poor as a leader BUT he is held in high regard. Trump is the same, whatever about his policies, he comes across as so poor at his role in nearly all interviews and press conferences BUT he is held up as a hero at the rallies. Ahern in Ireland came across as an absolute chancer (a finance minister with no bank account) BUT feck it, he played well to the ordinary man so 11 years as Irish PM, second longest serving in our countries history.

davyK

They need to take a paddle to the arse of that prick with all the houses though and kick him into touch. That was Raab's chance to show his mettle.

equinox_code

My German friends can't understand it. Looking in from the outside it seems so obvious he's failing, yet when information is filtered through the British media nobody is getting the message. The same thing will be happening in Turkey, Hungary etc.

davyK

Criticising him is like criticising the workforce keeping things going - going in spite of apparent mismanagement in everything down to logistics getting PPE circulated.

He is no doubt benefiting from that effect greatly.

If the US manage to have an election this year it will be hard to believe if they vote that useless cunt in again. All over by Easter, eh?

Kow

You're lucky the US has made a bigger arse of everything and the international fuck-up spotlight is off you for the moment.

Diluted Dante

If it wasn't then perhaps those in charge might have to actually start fixing the problem.

davyK

Worst in Europe story is doing the rounds though.

mistercrayon

I think the one thing in Johnson’s favour (well three) is the unprecedented nature of the problem. There must be a feeling that this is a complete disaster but everything hasn’t fallen apart yet so he must be doing something correctly. I know it’s bad but bad is part of the problem. I think also the rhetoric really digs what people love this fighting mentality that people love. Finally I think some of the manoeuvres have been good up front (govt paying 80% of wages) does sound like a good policy but how it eventually plays out (at what cost - no shops etc, rent problems) is not going to play out for a long time yet.

We are only on one half of the steps for solving this (maybe even a quarter). Until a vaccine exists realistically the whole situation must mean no gatherings outside your house forever or everyone having to accept that people dying of covid is just another thing that will kill you, like a heart attack or whatever

mistercrayon

mistercrayon wrote:

It is extremely disappointing. I think reading that they delayed expulsions to create crises is probably the grossest thing I’ve seen.

Ha I’ve seen a bit more of this and that quote I took as factual

Said by Corbyn hater:

We’re getting a panel with Tom Watson to give a soft decision to make chaos for Corbyn

Is closer to

Said by corbyn hater:

Some Corbyn ally is telling everyone we’re getting a panel together to give a soft decision to make chaos for corbyn.

That is some pretty rancid virality. (I guess it must be a given to say “if true” now regardless of your stripes).

monkey

I dunno what the timeframe is from scaling up a vaccine from zero instances to 7 billion either. And where 65 million Brits are going to come in that queue.

LivDiv

Give it time.
This is a middle England wet dream.
At home, full pay, with the family, sun out, big garden to appreciate it.
Some faux war effort and some rules to follow that are basic and barely effect them. Plus they get to tut at some rule breakers (normally poorer people with no outside space).

We are only 3 weeks into it.
They still think they are going on that holiday booked for June or that festival in September.

They still think 80% of their money is free from the government and they wont be the ones targeted to pay it back for the next decade.

They think because their employer is getting 80% of salary from the gov that their employer can last months of this.

They still think our death toll is behind Italy/Spain, when on projectition it will end up much worse.

This is the easy bit we are in. The hardship will come later for many spouting their praises for Johnson.

GooberTheHat

monkey wrote:

I dunno what the timeframe is from scaling up a vaccine from zero instances to 7 billion either. And where 65 million Brits are going to come in that queue.

I would presume it depends on by who and where the vaccine is being manufactured.

poprock

Absolutely nailing it there I think Liv.

Only thing I’d add is that I think even when it does get harder, those people still won’t turn on Johnson. He’ll still be ‘their man’.

LarryDavid

GooberTheHat wrote:

I would presume it depends on by who and where the vaccine is being manufactured.

Brave Boris is straight out of hospital and knocking up the first batch in his bathtub.

LarryDavid

Some highlights from the Telegraph's response.

RedDave2

poprock wrote:

Absolutely nailing it there I think Liv.

Only thing I’d add is that I think even when it does get harder, those people still won’t turn on Johnson. He’ll still be ‘their man’.

It'll be the EU or the Chinese who get the blame.

Diluted Dante

LarryDavid wrote:

GooberTheHat wrote:

I would presume it depends on by who and where the vaccine is being manufactured.

Brave Boris is straight out of hospital and knocking up

Right back into it eh?

Kow

"The UK is leading Europe in the fight against Coronavirus". Now I really want to read that.

monkey

Boris gave that virus a good shoeing. So whatever juices he's got pumping round his system, this nation needs some of that. And if that means him spaffing his precious anti-body laden discharge into the open mouths of each Brit, on their knees in front of him, then this nation will be all the better for it.

AndCallMeCharlie

Alison Pearson represents everything that is wrong with the UK

Tempy

I legitimately hate her and everything she stands for.

mistercrayon

I feel her rise as a person who shows up is unbelievably meteoric. It’s almost as if she’s chosen to play a villain for clicks.

LivDiv

As cunty as those opinion piece titles are (and they are) I have found The Guardian to be equally as wanky recently.

Diluted Dante

I don't think there is anything here that equals those Telegraph ones.

davyK

I find it hard to read any paper without getting annoyed. Reminds me why I gave them up (well - that and the phone hacking scandal).

LivDiv

Diluted Dante wrote:

I don't think there is anything here that equals those Telegraph ones.

Looks to have improved somewhat since I last looked a week or so ago.

Armitage_Shankburn

Kow wrote:

"The UK is leading Europe in the fight against Coronavirus". Now I really want to read that.

The guy who wrote this was my next door neighbour. He is an absolute cretin. I couldn't believe this was the same guy, I only realised like a month ago.

Diluted Dante

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Kow wrote:

"The UK is leading Europe in the fight against Coronavirus". Now I really want to read that.

The guy who wrote this was my next door neighbour. He is an absolute cretin. I couldn't believe this was the same guy, I only realised like a month ago.

He looks like the words "My Dad got me this job" come to life.

GooberTheHat

LarryDavid wrote:

Some highlights from the Telegraph's response.

Good god, it's fucking delusional!

Armitage_Shankburn

Diluted Dante wrote:

Armitage_Shankburn wrote:

Kow wrote:

"The UK is leading Europe in the fight against Coronavirus". Now I really want to read that.

The guy who wrote this was my next door neighbour. He is an absolute cretin. I couldn't believe this was the same guy, I only realised like a month ago.

He looks like the words "My Dad got me this job" come to life.

Just trust me that he is an absolute thicko and a moron - not surprised he is a shrill brexity Tory "journalist". I was astounded to see his pic on twitter and put 2 and 2 together

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