He will be given the best treatment. Maybe they have some plasma from China? Intravenous but C, antibiotics zinc... See what works.

Yeah, I can just picture the Tories harvesting our blood.

g.man wrote:

Yeah, I can just picture the Tories harvesting our blood.

Something to do with the kids now they arent in school.

Ooh there was a Babylon 5 episode about immortality - it required others to die.

So if Boris lives who was sacrificed? Let it be Gove, let it be Gove ...

Yeah there's what I want. And then there's what I think is possible. 
(Edit - this is a way longer post than I realised. The above sentence sums it up)

And what's possible is determined by having to reach consensus with some real selfish shitheads, the existing power structures, people's seeming inability to reason coherently about what's in their own best interests. 

What I want is socialism that covers health, education, all utilities, prisons, most stuff that's just there. If something has to exist for a society to operate, probably socialise it. Capitalism is better for optionals, luxuries etc. Big tech has transitioned from optional to necessity and should be socialised or regulated so far up the arse, that it's as good as socialised. It should be a piece of piss to hire and fire people. But the levels of unemployment support, welfare, reeducation and training you throw at people when out of work should make any Tory weep just to think of it. I'd cap wages. Company profits above a certain level should either be reinvested for the public good or taxed away. These are things I want. They aren't things I'll ever get. Any politician promising them, or similar, is a visionary genius of world-changing, historic magnitude or a moron. 

The current system is broken, corrupted, killing us and the planet. You won't change it with Macron, Trudeau, Obama. The turd can't be polished any more. You're not going to change it by finding some old socialist cadaver that's telling you, personally, everything that you want to hear. Then expecting right-wingers to vote for it. You need a socialist-minded person that gets it. Someone that's cagey enough to tell everyone what they need to hear so they can get in power and then start really changing things. 

It's very hard to find someone that can rise to the top to be elected, and that gets it and that can appeal to two sets of diametrically opposed people. No Tory can get support from their own side by saying maybe Labour has a point about some stuff. No Labour MP gets support if they start talking about the need for eg an efficiently delivered public sector. 

Starmer is the best bet, but it's clearly a long shot. Starmer may have grown up in a two-up, two-down, but he probably hasn't lived a single day as an adult in the same world that most of us have. None of them have. Even if he did, it was decades ago, before the neo-liberal transformation. 

You quiz most MPs about how a young person should find a job and it will probably boil down to pounding the streets, going into places and asking around. They're completely out of touch with the world they've created. 

RLB probably doesn't have that same problem in fairness. But she's tainted by her Corbyn association and she's got a regional accent and yes people will vote on that sort of shallow, dim-witted prejudice.

It can't be Jude Law. And there is some top reasoning for this:

. Jude Law was in Existenz
. Existenz DVD has the (truly crap) advert for the Dreamcast
. Therefore, Jude has a connection to DC meaning he is super cool and un-sacrificable.

mrsmr2 wrote:

Ooh there was a Babylon 5 episode about immortality - it required others to die. So if Boris lives who was sacrificed? Let it be Gove, let it be Gove ...

Wasn't the Being John Malkovitch story based around immortality technology?

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-antisemitism-investigation-will-not-be-sent-to-equality-commission-11972071

The report claims private communications show senior former staff "openly worked against the aims and objectives of the leadership of the Party, and in the 2017 general election some key staff even appeared to work against the Party's core objective of winning elections".

The report says the WhatsApp communications in question, which included some of the most senior figures in the party headquarters and Lord McNicol's office, were leaked by one of the group's members.

The examples from chat archives published in the document include:

Conversations in 2017 which appear to show senior staff preparing for Tom Watson to become interim leader in anticipation of Mr Corbyn losing the election

Conversations which it is claimed show senior staff hid information from the leader's office about digital spending and contact details for MPs and candidates during the election

Conversations on election night in which the members of the group talk about the need to hide their disappointment that Mr Corbyn had done better than expected and would be unlikely to resign

A discussion about whether the grassroots activist network Momentum could be "proscribed" for being a "party within a party"

A discussion about "unsuspending" a former Labour MP who was critical of Mr Corbyn so they could stand as a candidate in the 2017 election

A discussion about how to prevent Corbyn ally Rebecca Long-Bailey gaining a seat on the party's governing body in 2017

Regular references to corbyn-supporting party staff as "trots"

Conversations between senior staff in Lord

McNicol's office in which they refer to former director of communications Seamus Milne as "dracula", and saying he was "spiteful and evil and we should make sure he is never allowed in our Party if it's last thing we do"

Conversations in which the same group refers to Mr Corbyn's former chief of staff Karie Murphy as "medusa", a "crazy woman" and a "bitch face cow" that would "make a good dartboard"

A discussion in which one of the group members expresses their "hope" that a young pro-Corbyn Labour activist, who they acknowledge had mental health problems, "dies in a fire"

The investigation also accuses the former General Secretary Lord McNicol, and other senior figures of providing "false and misleading information" to Jeremy Corbyn's office in relation to the handling of antisemitism complaints, which the report claims meant "the scale of the problem was not appreciated" by the leadership.

The report claims McNicol and staff in the Governance and Legal Unit "provided timetables for the resolution of cases that were never met; falsely claimed to have processed all antisemitism complaints; falsely claimed that most complaints received were not about Labour members and provided highly inaccurate statistics of antisemitism complaints".

These Labour Whatsapp messages are fucking sickening. We could have had a Labour govt in 2017 if it wasn't for these cunts.

It's a lot worse than I'd realised. I was very aware that the media was anti him, and some in the party not keen, but hadn't appreciated they're was quite this amount going on. Unclear what happens next though - a proper test for Keir, and one he may well fail. Could even see a proper schism looking tbh...

It is certainly clear that Labour simply isn't what it was. The move to the right under Blair was a success...defined by being in power that is...and there's the rub.

Being "un labour like" is the price to pay for power in their eyes. It is hard to see a way back. It would take baby steps and  Corbyn wasn't about that.

Perhaps the aftermath of the pandemic will change things but Johnson has played this rather well...certainly in the eyes of many of those who didn't like him. I can only quote my mother who now sees him as a man of the people after using NHS. Quite the trick.

I saw someone post on Facebook that they found Boris really relatable and they wanted to know what others thought. Every comment was positive and one person said he was like a modern day, male Diana.

I find it genuinely unbelievable that people can hold in such regard. Getting ill was probably the best thing he has done, politically... the people love him. A warrior king.

tigersgogrrr wrote:

I saw someone post on Facebook that they found Boris really relatable and they wanted to know what others thought. Every comment was positive and one person said he was like a modern day, male Diana.

I find it genuinely unbelievable that people can hold in such regard. Getting ill was probably the best thing he has done, politically... the people love him. A warrior king.

Well that depresses me nearly as much as the Labour report . Basically, us English suck.

Paul the sparky wrote:

I still think he's a cunt.

Quite.

Johnson's the new Thatcher now. People just want him, he's the story, they want to see where the story goes. The media are fully bought in. Everything is now framed in a Johnson-centric way. Huge death figures and the story is "how will Johnson handle this?" Not "how can we expand public understanding to correct this, or test the government for the public good?" The media are addicted to superficial fluff and he's got the good stuff you won't get anywhere else. The Heisenberg of bullshit.