hunk wrote:

poprock wrote:

I think it’s just that I don’t believe actual campaigns and policies drive votes. I believe that party brands drive Conservative loyalties and voting habits. Ever since Thatcher, the brands are:  Conservative = safe, powerful, business, bit of military.  Labour = risky, will raise my taxes, academics, might be commies (not really sure what commie means, but it’s bad). That can be simplified to: Conservative = know what they‘re doing. Labour = don’t. These brands are built and reinforced in the minds of Conservative voters by the media, primarily the tabloid press. They are barely affected by things like policies, campaigns, and the truth. People who pay attention to actual policy tend to vote Labour, unless they’re quite wealthy, in which case they too tend to vote Conservative.

Boom!
This is how most of the lower class (plebs) vote. It's all about the brand. If your party brandimage/catchphrase isn't strong enough the blue collar will not vote for you. This image is mostly controlled by the tabloids, fb/insta social media bubble and/or the political leader.
Only middle class care for policies. The top 1% earners are mostly conservative because: why change a good thing? Unless the local conservatives fuck up and become to greedy ofc. A lefty wind blows and the pendulum swings once more....

Plebs.

Only middle class care for policies? Never took Hunk for a classist.

"lower class" *grimacing face emoji*

Caveat: this is a winky smiley post

Eh? My rule of thumb was a description.
How is that a conspiracy theory lol. Get a grip Crayon.

Leave the EU is a fucking marketing slogan, not a detailed policy.
It was powered by 'feelz', not an actual thought out strategy.

Agree, but there's no need to denigrate the working class. It was a winky smiley post, just a little joke.

Yeah, to be fair, Leave the EU isn't really a policy, unless you also have an argument for how to leave the EU.

Had Ireland been given the vote as they should've been, they could've come out with a better deal than the rest of us (with an internal CU using rules of origin for their import-to-export trade had they remained). For the UK and NI, handing more lawmaking control to the Tories was always a terrible idea, but had Labour won in 2017 that might not have been the case. Sovereignty's as good or as bad as our governments make it, and if you believe in some level of devolution as a prerequisite for socialism to flourish (in this current world), voting for the EU as-is wasn't an inviting option.

But of course the EU are generally a lot nicer than the Tories, with the downside that voting for them would've been our endorsement of the fortification of their practices, some of which stand firmly against socialism. So for me leaving was theoretically okay under the right non-Tory circumstances, with some obvious financial trade-offs that, by themselves, call into question the EU's widely accepted (and widely unquestioned) benevolence. Hence our alternative should've been to remain with conditions, the primary I'd have fought for is that the EU must adopt a reasonable level of wealth redistribution, since ruling by GDP just keeps the poor countries (and proles like me) down.

Instead of using our opportunity to highlight the pluto flaws inherent in the EU, perhaps finding allies to help apply pressure for increased Euro equality, we've just made them look like models of virtue in contrast to our crappy racist behaviour.

The class element in this just comes down to who was most receptive to which form of binary advertising.

I... what?

How are they justifying that?

The thought process is hopefully that this is a significant logistical exercise, and "business" does logistics well. No reason why the health minister couldn't pull in business to help, but hey ho.

I've more trust in Vincent Adultman, TBF.

We need P-Eat on the case.

Just to be clear the vaccine distro is going to be the responsibility of the health department. The minister in charge used to be the business minister but will become a health minister.

I don't think the Conservatives appoint ministers based on their "real world" experience, because most of them have none.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/29/covid-pandemic-tory-chumocracy-cronyism-spin

Agreed. Makes it sound almost inoffensive, which IT IS NOT. I’m very offended, personally.