Stupid things that stupid people do but that you don't do because you're not stupid.
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    High pressure shit today, no one did anything stupid. Third parties though, huhuh
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    I just learned that it's SASHimi, not saSHImi. I have no idea if I'm the only one who's been saying it wrong, but I'll err on the side of caution and assume I'm stupid.
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    I've always put the stress in the middle.
  • I try not to shout too much when I'm ordering sushi, so I just say "sashimi".
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    I was just educated by a sushi chef in Osaka, so right now I'm the headphones wanker of sushi. He was very polite, he just said it back to me, properly, twice, I repeated, he nodded and smiled, and then sliced up said sashimi like a fly mofo.
  • One day I hope to be the headphones wanker of headphones wankery.
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    adkm wrote:
    I was just educated by a sushi chef in Osaka, so right now I'm the headphones wanker of sushi. He was very polite, he just said it back to me, properly, twice, I repeated, he nodded and smiled, and then sliced up said sashimi like a fly mofo.

    Ask him how he pronounces haggis, battered mars bar and a can of irn bru, then you can correct him, the pompous twat.
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    adkm wrote:
    I just learned that it's SASHimi, not saSHImi. I have no idea if I'm the only one who's been saying it wrong, but I'll err on the side of caution and assume I'm stupid.

    You're not saying it wrong, you're just saying it the English way rather than the Japanese way.

    That's like saying it's wrong to pronounce Paris "Pah-riss", it should be "Pah-ree" cos that's how the French say it.  It's just now how language works.

    Ditto things like bruschetta (hard ch, not soft) and chorizo.
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    Anyway, ittadakimasu
  • I wanna be the headphones wanker of something weirdly specific, like esports mice.
  • That seems thoroughly and cheaply attainable. Trouble is, then you have to play a bunch of DOTA and shit.
  • Could you not just buy the mice, and use them for Excel?
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    acemuzzy wrote:
    You're not saying it wrong, you're just saying it the English way rather than the Japanese way.

    That's like saying it's wrong to pronounce Paris "Pah-riss", it should be "Pah-ree" cos that's how the French say it.  It's just now how language works.

    Ditto things like bruschetta (hard ch, not soft) and chorizo.

    You're talking to the guy who thinks we should say 'Pah-ree', though. And call it Deutschland, and so on and so forth.

    I think it's particularly the case when it's a word we've borrowed from the originating language. "That's how WE'VE decided to say it," feels like a playground defence. (For clarity, I'm aiming that at us collectively as speakers of the same language, not you.)
  • With Japanese though it's a matter of different stress patterns. When we see a Japanese word written we assign stress to a particular syllable, in line with English words, whereas they stress each syllable equally.

    It therefore makes sense when communicating with other (native) English speakers to use the English version, just to be understood more easily. Unless you want to teach everyone Japanese first.
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    A Japanese guy corrected his pronunciation of a Japanese word while he was in Japan. I think that's fair enough.
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    Do you also say Ned-er-lands?
  • Yar. For me that falls under the "When in Rome" category. If Rome was in Japan.
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    And why do we call it Germany? Has it always been Deutschland natively or is it a relatively new name?
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    Yeah ok in Japan I'd say it in the Japanese way and in England the English way. Right/wrong is context-dependent (imo).

    I remember having a total merde trying to buy sumo tickets in Tokyo, as I kept saying SUmo not sMO, which made me completely unintelligible to the locals. (I obviously just started swearing and saying it louder to compensate.)
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    JonB wrote:
    With Japanese though it's a matter of different stress patterns. When we see a Japanese word written we assign stress to a particular syllable, in line with English words, whereas they stress each syllable equally.

    It therefore makes sense when communicating with other (native) English speakers to use the English version, just to be understood more easily. Unless you want to teach everyone Japanese first.

    Yep, which is why I disagree with everyone pronouncing foreign words foreign, it's just harder to be understood, even if you've done your research on the local language and accent before pronouncing a place name.
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    Out of interest, how do you pronounce origami, karate, Haruki Murakami, Kazuo Ishiguro, Sony, sushi, Tokyo, Osaka, ...? I suspect trying to pronounce the "correctly" may (a) be a losing battle unless you learn Japanese, and (b) leave you looking pretty odd back in the UK.

    @adkm, I'm a rare moment of agreement with yoss :-)
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    It's fun trying. OooSAkah!
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    There are plenty of places that have no common English pronunciation and it's fine to correct people. People have a tendency to pronounce Toledo as toleedo when it's actually tolaydo and there's nothing wrong with correcting that. There are lots of places in Ireland that people will pronounce badly if they're not from there and I guarantee people will correct them immediately without any sense of well let them pronounce it their way.
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    It's worth mentioning here that people from Egypt call their home country El Masry. Using that name with a native English speaker means that either the person you're talking to won't know where you're referring to or you'll have to explain every time you use the term, which is more likely to come across as pretentious than anything else.
  • I know you pronounce karate like this:
    Carra - as in carrot
    Tay - as in tay tay tay tay t t t t tay tay tay take or leave us on please believe us, we aint ever gonna be respectable
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    There are basic pronunciation changes that are fine but expecting English speakers to do a French or Spanish r for example would be unfair. Ay instead of ee is ok though.
  • Kow wrote:
    A Japanese guy corrected his pronunciation of a Japanese word while he was in Japan. I think that's fair enough.
    It is, yes.
  • I learnt how to say Ghibli a few weeks ago, it's pretty much nothing like the English version at all, more like Shi bu ri. On the whole, I find that the easiest way to pronounce foreign words correctly is by trying to say them in their accent. In fact, when speaking to someone foreign, whether in English or their language, you're more easily understood if you put on their accent, the cheesier the better as It's emphasises the differences you'll get wrong thinking in English.

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