Science fiction love and hate
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    Dark Star was/is brilliant.


    Re Dune. The film started majestically but collapsed under the weight of its preposterousness about the third of the way through. Looks like the budget had gone around the same time.
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    The wee plastic armies being dragged by fishing line rather stands out in the age of the flat panel screen.
    Skerret's posting is ok to trip balls to and read just to experience the ambience but don't expect any content.
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  • Lynch apparently refuses to discuss Dune, as he is still angry at the studio for forcing him to cut the film down so much (from about 3-4 hours to 2).  Universal have asked him to do a directors cut but he won't do it.  I love the film and what kill to see his original longer vision.

    The sound and music was fantastic, as were the set design.
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    There's a shot of Patrick Stewart charging into battle holding a Pug dog...did I imagine that?
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    Nope
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  • Also of note: Jodorowsky's Dune, which would have been bonkers if half of what's in the doc is to be believed.

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    That's a great film
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    Still none the wiser, but it’s got quite a ring to it.

    Dark Star is amazing. Proper sci-fi.

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  • I wish Jodorowsky had made that.
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  • I liked Dark Star, but also liked all six original Dune books.
  • I like sci-fi but I'm quite particular about what I watch.  It has to be grounded in some way for me to enjoy it.  So I like Alien because it's essentially an oil rig in space and looks the part but I couldn't watch Lexx because the spaceship was alive and it just doesn't sit with me for whatever reason.

    One that I don't think has been mentioned so far is Outland, which was a big influence on the look and feel of Moon and is a worthy watch.  No highfalutin ideas or themes.  Just a good old fashioned western on IO.
  • I do like genre mashes - so have a soft spot for Outland as "High Noon in Space". Connery is great casting for the role.
    In a similar vein, Lockup is cheesy but I love the "Escape from New York in Space" vibe, plus I'm gay for Guy Pierce.
  • Read Stanislaw Lem and fuck all the rest.

    Idk what the best science fictional movie is really
  • Lynch's Dune is my favourite Lynch.
  • Greg Egan's shorts are cracking.
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    Forgot about Outland - that was a good 'un.

    Dan O'Bannon used his pet alien sub plot in Dark Star to create the Alien script. Apparently he noticed that the audience reaction even to the whimsical Dark Star sequence wasn't what he though it was (was expecting more laughs - but got some tension instead) and reckoned he was onto something,

    I read a fair bit of Ray Bradbury when I was young. Enjoyed that.

    I still believe the short story serves the genre best though.
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  • I love a good sci-fi series. I always remember watching Star Trek The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine with my Dad and brother regularly. Didn't really touch sci-fi again until a triple attack of Firefly, Battlestar Galatica and SG-1. All three of which I absolutely loved. Sci-fi TV at this current moment is a bit lacking. The 100 does a good job with some of the sci-fi bits but is more of a post-apocalyptic action series. Apparently The Expanse is very good (the books are excellent), so I am eagerly waiting to watch them.
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  • "Predestination" is a good adaptation of my fave scifi short, Heinlein's "All You Zombies".
  • Predestination is bloody ace. My 2015 film of the year.
  • Thinking about sci fi that isn't all space lasers Primer is an excellent film.
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  • Upstream Colour and Coherence too
  • I adore Sci-Fi. Literature, flicks, artistry. Lap it up. 

    Literature. Philip K Dick's work is sublime. The sheer amount of inspired ideas he came up with was astounding. He wrote so many great novels but I think his real strength was in his short stories. He had an amazing ability to set up a believable tale with decent characterisation in a few pages and leave you with a sense of wonder at the end of it. Some of his predictions were really astute (as with Arthur C. Clarke) and his collected short stories would be a definite desert island want. 

    J.G. Ballard is another master of the sci-fi arts. Thing with Dick and Ballard is that so many of their scenarios seem possible and it's that hook that gets me every time. Ballard was expert at describing the dark side of human nature that's always just bubbling away under the surface. He realised that society was never too far away from anarchy. Wheatley seems to have nailed the tone of High Rise, if this trailer is to be trusted.



    Just as an aside, a chap has recreated High Rise through Lego. He's also done similar for Infinite Jest.
    Brick High Rise

    I loved the Banks' Culture novels, the Hugh Howey Wool trilogy (very Fallout), Lucifer's Hammer, Riddley Walker and much more. It annoys me when literary snobs look down on the genre and there does seem to be an element of ignorance towards it. Some of the best literature I've read over the last 5 years could be seen as sci-fi. The Road was heart-breaking but powerful. Dave Eggers 'The Circle' did what a load of great sci-fi does - offered a believable warning of the path that humanity currently trundles along. The episodic nature of World War Z and Robopocalypse benefited from the ever-changing narrative focus to present an effective dystopian read. China Mieville and Chris Beckett are home-grown talent amongst the world's best. We're in the midst of a couple of superb trilogies - Anne Leckie's Ancillary series and Dave Hutchinson's Europe in Autumn series. And Emily St John Mandel's Station Eleven was a sublime post-apocalyptic novel which deserves to be read by anyone interested in the genre. Could spend all day writing about who I love from the traditional to the more recent but it is great to see that 'established' fiction writers have embraced the medium and been celebrated for that - Attwood, Ishiguro, Dvid Mitchell etc.

    I know it's been mentioned previously, but I'm increasingly of the opinion that Children of Men is my favourite film. I use it quite a bit in my teaching and it's a fantastic film on repeated viewing. The level of detail is great, the dystopian realism is on point, it's well acted by all the cast (hmmm , possibly Sid aside) and it manages to present the warm side of humanity while society and order are totally breaking down. From the Quietus advert and the windscreen digital read out to the jingoistic propaganda and fascist politicising, it all seems, well, believable. That this could happen. As mentioned by others, the cinematography is superb and some of the tracking shots are utterly captivating. Clive Owen plays the role of his life and it's a film that leaves you thinking.  I'm desperate for a Criterion edition as the forecasted extras would be brilliant. Not sure if The Prestige would qualify as Sci-Fi, but that's another film I could rave about for ages. 

    Contact was one of the first sci-fi films to be released on DVD and this scene alone is worth the ticket. 


    As for other Sci-Fi films the usual lot are favourites - Blade Runner, Moon, Ex Machina, 12 Monkeys, Gattaca, Alphaville, Sleeper, Dark City, The Man in the White Suit, 28 Days Later, Hardware, Battle Royale, La Antena, They Live, 5th Element, la jetee, Her and load sod other trashy films I enjoyed when I was growing up. 

    I will probably cut Sci-Fi films a bit of slack that offer an intriguing, engaging or interesting view of the future. I love Barbarella, even though it's ultimately camp, kitsch nonsense. When I was 15, my aunt caught me and my friend watching it and thought we were watching a porno (the Fonda undressing scene). Red faces for a few years at family dos as she'd told the rest of the family. 

    Didn't mean to ramble on for so long, but that was an enjoyable half an hour typing that up.
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    Enjoyed reading that fucker.
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    Also, I've not seen Contact but little snippet really twisted my noggin.
  • Yeah that was a good read. I tried Ancillary Justice but I just couldn't get into it. I think my problem of reading late at night meant I wasn't focusing as much as I needed to. Want to go back to it and try the Europe in Autumn series too. I think I do tend to go more towards the Space Opera end of sci-fi myself. The Expanse Series and Peter F Hamilton are two of my favourites. Just started The Dreaming Void this week, always a big undertaking reading one of his.
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    Jodo's 86!? Christ, he's healthy.

    Gattaca is one of my favourite films despite the realisation at the end he's basically putting the life of his crew at risk by not admitting he could have a heart attack at any critical moment he's relied upon.
  • I'm okay with that selfishness though as it's been his dream to join the crew since he was a child. And being a dreamer I'd do the same too.
  • Jest is in with a good shout for favourite SciFi, good reminder Stoph.
  • I love that Bollockoff manages to fit a spoiler into every single post he makes. Wuv.

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