RamSteelwood wrote:See I think it's a bad move but for the flipside of those reasons. Assuming Corbo really does want to rule out no deal, May isn't going to concede to his demands as he would take the credit. He's using it to try to score points, and May is playing the same game. If he went in the discussion, and together they came out with a joint decision to rule out 'no deal' then neither of them really wins any bonus points and they'd prob be criticised by some in their own parties, so they won't do it even though it would benefit the people. Alternatively, he actually wouldn't mind a no deal, and so he's made his demand like this knowing full well that May won't agree to it. Then when no deal does happen he can wash his hands of it and claim he wanted to stop it. Either way, for me Corbyn and May both seem to be playing the same game. Both are more concerned about benefiting/reducing the damage that brexit does to themselves and their party, rather than what it will do to the country. Would I rather Corbyn was PM? Yeah. Do I think he seems more principled and has better ideals than most other senior MPs? Yeah. Am I confident that he has any plan other than keep muddling along in the hope that suddenly at the last moment May turns around and says "sorry, i can't do this, let's cancel/delay the whole thing and put Corbyn in charge"? No. May's tactic appears to be to run the clock down. Corbyn's counter tactic seems to to also run the clock down.monkey wrote:Corbo is completely correct to use whatever leverage he's got to rule out no deal. It's the right thing for him to do politically and for the country. It should have been ruled out on Day 1 of May becoming PM. It's a ludicrous fantasy that is damaging our economy now, in the present, and has poisoned so much of the debate. Then when May does it, he gets the credit. Well he won't but British business and the people will have him to thank for it, whether they do so or not. It's useful for May as well as she's too much of a coward / moran to rule it out on her own.
LarryDavid wrote:Here’s what the Dutch think of it all:
EDIT: actually I think it’s been ‘shopped
But is there compromise on the way? Rumours govt working on customs union by another name BUT eurosceptics feel strongly reassured by PM this morning she absolutely won’t move to customs union as she knows it would ‘send party into flames’ one MP says -
Yossarian wrote:Christ knows what’s going on ATM.https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1085891412036644864But is there compromise on the way? Rumours govt working on customs union by another name BUT eurosceptics feel strongly reassured by PM this morning she absolutely won’t move to customs union as she knows it would ‘send party into flames’ one MP says -
GooberTheHat wrote:Her loyalty isn't to the country. It's too her party and its financiers.
Armitage_Shankburn wrote:GooberTheHat wrote:Her loyalty isn't to the country. It's too her party and its financiers.
I would say that for her, there is no difference between the conservative party and the country. Each is synonymous with the other. She's a good old fashioned one nation Tory.
Politicians eh? Corbyn should call another no confidence vote for lols, see if the lib dems then back the conservatives.Yossarian wrote:Cable’s ruled out the Lib Dems supporting any more confidence votes unless Corbyn backs a 2nd referendum. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/lib-dems-refuse-to-support-future-labour-no-confidence-votes
This is my feeling, and why Corbyn's stance on the discussions worries me. IF May is prepared to go 'no deal', then Corbyn's insistence they remove that option is futile. It also means at the end of the day he'll have to back May's deal over a no deal exit anyway...Armitage_Shankburn wrote:What's going on is the renegotiation is a nonsense. It'll be May's deal or no deal with the clock almost at midnight, figuratively speaking of course.
RamSteelwood wrote:Politicians eh? Corbyn should call another no confidence vote for lols, see if the lib dems then back the conservatives.Yossarian wrote:Cable’s ruled out the Lib Dems supporting any more confidence votes unless Corbyn backs a 2nd referendum. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/lib-dems-refuse-to-support-future-labour-no-confidence-votes
Yossarian wrote:Also, 2nd referendum amendment incoming. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/17/brexit-second-referendum-amendment-sarah-wollaston-conservatives-mps It’s make your mind up time, Jezza.
Yossarian wrote:[insert half a dozen fire emojis here]
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/sunday/brexit-ireland-empire.html
Pankaj Mishra describing David Cameron as a "mendacious, intellectually limited hustler"
is funnier when you remember that he's married to Cameron's cousin. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/sunday/brexit-ireland-empire.html
We'll ship em over.Armitage_Shankburn wrote:Well let you deal with the dup, ta.
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