LivDiv wrote:

May just said this... "Working people always pay the price of Labour," Is she fucking drunk!?!

I think this was in a bit about Birmingham bin strikes. Which she's blaming on the Labour council. The Labour council that has had it's budget cut by 50% since 2010 by the Conservative government. It's apparently Labour's fault that my bins are quietly festering at the end of my drive in the unseasonable warmth.

No comments on tonight's votes?

The Labour amendment has been defeated by 323 votes to 240 – a majority of 83.

The SNP amendment has been defeated by 324 votes to 288 – a majority of 36.

Alberto Costa moves his, and it goes through on the nod.

The Cooper amendment has passed by 502 votes to 20 – a majority of 482.

What's all that mean then?

LivDiv wrote:

What were the two that passed? Didn't think the Labour one had a hope in hell. Costa was about guaranteeing EU citizens rights no matter what right?

EU citizens rights, and an Article 50 extension if MP's reject Mays deal again, and also affirm the wish to avoid no deal.

As to what it means, well Labours version of Brexit is far closer to being acceptable to MP's than Mays. If Brexit happens, it's probably going to be closer to what Labour have proposed. The SNP amendment was about avoiding no deal, which basically everyone but the Government voted for, but if it comes to another vote in 2 weeks, plenty of Tories will move the other way as we'll be on a cliff edge.

Finally, May parroted a lot of what Coopers amendment said, but without a vote on it nothing is binding. She's shown she's the most untrustworthy person in the entire House, so Cooper forced the vote and MP's overwhelmingly voted for it, meaning an extension to Article 50 is almost certain in the event May's deal is defeated again. The only question is then what the reason for the delay is. It could be for a second referendum, or May could crumble and begin negotiations on a Customs Union.

They will if we give them a reason, like "we're putting the WA to a public vote" or "i'm erasing my dumbass red lines and working out a Customs Union deal"

We shouldn't be humanising May.

Jesus fucking christ

Essentially, yes.  Though there were other ferry companies too, which maybe do have ferries?

So it sounds like people suddenly think May's deal is OK and might get through

Woo

Democracy FTW

I'm starting to think it will, given the running down of the clock / EU maybe not agreeing to an extension / risk of no deal.  I don't think it's what the majority want, or what the majority of MPs would choose in any sensible period of parliament, but that's simply not where we're at.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/08/uk-vulnerable-to-money-laundering-on-a-massive-scale-find-mps

For those wondering what and who unofficially powered the Brexiteer campaign in 2016. Make no mistake, it's not just the Russians. It's any opportunist who needs to obscure the origins of dirty money.

Above should be a wake up call for other countries in the EU. Dark money can give foreign actors enormous undesirable leverage over homeland politics. Something which should be avoided at all costs.

This will be the Brexiteer 'Stabbed in the back' myth if and when Brexit proceeds and goes to shit. And it will of course, no doubt about that. Obvious analogue being the German Dolchstosslegende the nazi's liked to promote in the 1920's-1930's. And we know how much the (alt-)right loves to embrace their conspiracy theories.....

Guess who'll carry the blame once recession hits despite the Tories helming Brexit.

May's going to lose. I'll take all bets.

Tue.

“We’ve had a change in leadership, we need an extension!”

Betcha.