Brexit: Boris' Big Belgian Bangers
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poprock wrote:Diluted Dante wrote:Eh?
Drunkposting, ignore me.
Or … What I meant is that whatever happens next, be it Brexit or revoke, the UK is still messed up and will be for a long time. And, completely unrelatedly, I think there should be simultaneous protests UK-wide if you want the protest to be taken seriously. One march in London does not represent us all.Diluted Dante wrote:Ah, fair enough. Although I'd say as a march directed at Parliament, and intended to get as many people together in one place, a protest in Parliament square seems reasonable to me.
Plus it was pretty last minute, the final people’s vote march was supposed to be the one back in October (I think it was?), this was only thrown together once things got really screwed up. -
Aye, I’m not genuinely complaining. Post-rationalising a drunkpost feels a bit like explaining a joke. -
It kind of does highlight the divide a bit though. I think one of the reasons the Leave voters aren't staging big protests is they don't really have the means to galvanise into action, which is the kind of frustrating thing that led to them voting for change in the first place. Some of it's too do with age, done of it class.
Remain has pretty much one reason for staying, the economy. The Leave lot have a million reasons.
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That's just not true. The ability to live work and love in 27 other countries is a big reason.
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This is good.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/opinion/sunday/britain-brexit.html
This is not a time of national pride, it is a moment of deep and lasting national shame. We are unable to lead yet determined never to follow. We have nothing of note to say and yet still refuse to listen. The very forces that have shored up our self-regard and poisoned our place in history are about to erode us from within, and unless we find in ourselves the humility we’ve always abhorred, we face a brutal and potentially permanent humbling. -
Diluted Dante wrote:That's just not true. The ability to live work and love in 27 other countries is a big reason.
You think you won't be able to go work in Europe if we leave??!"Plus he wore shorts like a total cunt" - Bob -
SpaceGazelle wrote:Diluted Dante wrote:That's just not true. The ability to live work and love in 27 other countries is a big reason.
You think you won't be able to go work in Europe if we leave??!
He means freely. After this, its visas etc. It wont stop anyone but it's another roadblock that wasnt there before.
Edit: and obviously for many Europeans who would have seen the UK as a place to go work, it's become that bit more difficult.
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It is, but it'd be the least of our problems of we go. More of a pain really."Plus he wore shorts like a total cunt" - Bob
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But it is a legitimate reason to want to remain other than just the economy. -
I think it will actually stop some people. Or at least, the Brexiteers are going to do their best to ensure it stops plenty of people in the reverse direction. -
GooberTheHat wrote:But it is a legitimate reason to want to remain other than just the economy.
It's an additional cost, so it's certainly in the same area. One thing I admire about someone is if they will vote for something even though it'll financially impact them. That goes for the right and the left although it's usually a trait of the left. It goes for leavers too. I admire a leave voter who knows they'll be hardest hit but does it anyway.
I had a point but it's escaped me.
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SpaceGazelle wrote:GooberTheHat wrote:But it is a legitimate reason to want to remain other than just the economy.
It's an additional cost, so it's certainly in the same area. One thing I admire about someone is if they will vote for something even though it'll financially impact them. That goes for the right and the left although it's usually a trait of the left. It goes for leavers too. I admire a leave voter who knows they'll be hardest hit but does it anyway.
I had a point but it's escaped me.
It's not necessarily a cost, at least not the reason that people are concerned about it. It's the reduction in opportunity and diversity that I suspect concerns many, not that it might negatively affect the economy or result in extra out of pocket costs for those wanting to travel.
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It's a cost in the sense that it will cost you a job if you can't get a visa.
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Diluted Dante wrote:It's a cost in the sense that it will cost you a job if you can't get a visa.
No, you'll get a visa if you have a job lined up."Plus he wore shorts like a total cunt" - Bob -
But you’re less likely to get the job in the first place if you require a visa.
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True. It'll certainly prevent is getting shitty grad jobs and blue collar stuff. I'd still argue this falls under economy but no matter."Plus he wore shorts like a total cunt" - Bob
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I would miss the ease of simple travel. One fantastic thing about the EU is the ability to simply travel. Want to fly to Krakow for the weekend? Done. Quick trip to Paris? Easy.
More than that, I'm not big into nationality for the sake of it . I love community , where people come together under common objectives and I do believe that humanity works better when we don't put too many restrictions up. I think the EU helps with that.SFV - reddave360 -
Plus there is the whole "no war in (the EU part of) Europe" thing, which is quite novel so far as the history of the continent goes.
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Much as I'm glad the petition is getting numbers, do we really think it'll make a difference? That's more than the population of Scotland, and the Tories seem to have no problems ignoring us..... -
Relieving to read about European and other foreign papers reporting on the march yesterday.
If nothing else at least the march displayed how this clusterfuck is not representative of the country as a whole.
May will go (fairly soon bu the looks of things), the Tories won't be in power forever, important that someday we might be able to come out of the other side of this not completely covered in their filth. -
There is actual talk in Parliament about revoking article 50, Hammond was on TV today saying that a referendum might not be a bad idea. What this will amount to, who knows, but it does seem to have shifted the conversation a bit at least.
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Well that's it, if enough of an MP's constituents expresses support for repealing A50 (and by extension, a 2nd ref) it makes the likelihood of that MP pushing for or supporting that more likely. It's a long shot but it's the only one we've got.
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In addition to this, call your MP. I'll be doing so tomorrow and will report back what the stock response is.
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SpaceGazelle wrote:
You think you won't be able to go work in Europe if we leave??!Diluted Dante wrote:That's just not true. The ability to live work and love in 27 other countries is a big reason.
The Great British Diaspora"Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness." ― Terry Pratchett -
What are people's thoughts on May potential resigning?
Obviously I'm happy to see the back of her, not only a prick but a useless one at that.
I worry about the alternate though. Should an interim PM really oversee a defining moment in our nation? One thing May has is that at least she is the elected PM.
If we go down the route of a new Tory leader, could we end up with worse? May is awful as is her deal but definitely preferable to an ERG PM.
A GE could lead to May having a proper majority gov, ditching the DUP might see her deal go through. I'm not confident at all that Labour will make any ground under Corbyn. Worse leave voters fully back a reignited UKIP and we see a Tory UKIP Gov. -
David Cameron should be pm and made to own his mistakes. With a stuffed pig handcuffed to him."Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness." ― Terry Pratchett
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UKIP and Farages new thing would actually split those votes I think.
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GooberTheHat wrote:Plus there is the whole "no war in (the EU part of) Europe" thing, which is quite novel so far as the history of the continent goes.
Absolutely, but it's not at the forefront of people's minds. I think it needs to be pointed out during this fragmented mess, that for whatever reason people are deeply unhappy. I suppose yhey're mainly unhappy because they've been forgotten about.
We're in this weird position where the reasons for staying are at odds with many socialist values"Plus he wore shorts like a total cunt" - Bob
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