mistercrayon wrote:While Cameron was the div holding (and making) the bomb I think it was inevitable we’d either leave the eu or we’d have successively anti eu governments until we’d got that vote. The only way it would have reversed was if some how the perception of that place and seen social problems caused by it were also changed but you’re looking at a change in perception that has to happen while people are getting more frustrated.
Its not his fault - he's a symptom of the disease. Patrician rights, striving bastards, everyone for sale and Britain for rent, contempt for almost everyone else, and a belief in myths ingrained in them in their families, schools and setsSpaceGazelle wrote:I still blame Cameron for this shit pickle. This is what ,happens when you just make a random referendum up based on a single question that doesn't mean anything, on the grounds nobody is going to vote for it anyway so it doesn't really matter that the question was so stupid.
Then everyone had to scramble about trying to figure out wtf just happened, and what everyone had just voted on exactly, but since nobody could figure out what that was everyone just made up whatever shit suited them and said it was the wish of the people.
monkey wrote:It’s a one line whip on the second reading of a bill. They’ll probably vote against once they’ve failed to amend it. This bill probably only exists to give Johnson a chance to call Starmer weak on national security.
There’s going to be more of this. Putting horrible stuff into law just to put Labour in a bind and create distractions from Covid and Brexit.
Boris Johnson says UK must prepare for no trade deal with EU from January
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