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Sorry to come on hard as a motherfucker but I think this conversation is really good."Given how long it's taken for me to reconcile my nature, I can't figure I'd forgo it on your account."
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Hey you shut up about discodjchump wrote:I hate 90s R'n'B because I love the original 50s/60s rnb. It's an irrational, guttural hatred for me, along with my hatred of disco.
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PREACHXOMuggins wrote:Sorry to come on hard as a motherfucker but I think this conversation is really good.Skerret's posting is ok to trip balls to and read just to experience the ambience but don't expect any content.
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Yeah man, Nile Rodgers come on! Disco Funk is maybe the best thing ever.Skerret wrote:
Hey you shut up about discodjchump wrote:I hate 90s R'n'B because I love the original 50s/60s rnb. It's an irrational, guttural hatred for me, along with my hatred of disco."Given how long it's taken for me to reconcile my nature, I can't figure I'd forgo it on your account." -
Listening to Tax Season today I was reminded that a crooner as strident and clean in tone (if not much else) as Kelly now would be seen as very corny indeed, simply for the level of polish.
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Send messageActually those mystery Nordic producer chaps that mastermind every other pop hit are probably the heaviest hitters in terms of influence.Skerret's posting is ok to trip balls to and read just to experience the ambience but don't expect any content.
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I'm going to read this as him being responsible for crunk, so therefore I hate him.
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But he's not. The Weeknd said:Brooks wrote:Listening to Tax Season today I was reminded that a crooner as strident and clean in tone (if not much else) as Kelly now would be seen as very corny indeed, simply for the level of polish. R&B is proper slouchy in 201X.
I’m a huge fan of R. Kelly’s. He’s a musical genius, and probably the most prolific artist of the generation before mine. Some of the lines he says, if you say them in a normal voice, it’s the most disgusting thing you could say to somebody. But I can say “Pussy-ass nigga” in the most elegant and sexiest way ever, and it’s accepted. If I can get away with singing that, I’m doing something right.
All that ignorance on my records — “When she put it in her mouth, she can’t seem to reach my…” — that’s me paying homage to R. Kelly, and even Prince to a certain extent. The things R. Kelly was saying were crazy. You can say it now and it’s nothing, but back then you couldn’t."Given how long it's taken for me to reconcile my nature, I can't figure I'd forgo it on your account." -
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XOMuggins wrote:His impact on Rap alone - surely uncontested as THE genre of today
Now that's where you fell over, might just be me, but I find plenty of very good music to listen to outisde of rap. Guess I've just been ridiculously lucky, but the actual rap stuff I do listen to ends up being late nineties or grime
Maybe R-Kelly is the greatest thing since sliced bread but to my mind he's not as sexy as LL Cool J, not as summery as Slick Rick, and not as dark as Ice Cube, and not as pop as SkeeLo"I spent years thinking Yorke was legit Downs-ish disabled and could only achieve lucidity through song" - Mr B -
There wan't the instant association of kiddy fiddling basically. You had 16 year old page 3 girls. The Bill Wyman outrage was incredibly half hearted compared to the absolute burning at the stake he'd get from the red tops now. Legally there was no difference, but I suspect there would be less risk of prosecution and the moral outrage about that sort of thing would be much less.Liveinadive wrote:I find it funny that people excuse rock stars of the 70s by saying "It was a different time then" yet the age of consent has been 16 since 1885. -
Not saying there isn't good music outside of rap. Am saying it is the dominant genre, which it is.cockbeard wrote:
Now that's where you fell over, might just be me, but I find plenty of very good music to listen to outisde of rap. Guess I've just been ridiculously lucky, but the actual rap stuff I do listen to ends up being late nineties or grime Maybe R-Kelly is the greatest thing since sliced bread but to my mind he's not as sexy as LL Cool J, not as summery as Slick Rick, and not as dark as Ice Cube, and not as pop as SkeeLoXOMuggins wrote:His impact on Rap alone - surely uncontested as THE genre of today"Given how long it's taken for me to reconcile my nature, I can't figure I'd forgo it on your account." -
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But he's not. The Weeknd said:Listening to Tax Season today I was reminded that a crooner as strident and clean in tone (if not much else) as Kelly now would be seen as very corny indeed, simply for the level of polish. R&B is proper slouchy in 201X.I’m a huge fan of R. Kelly’s. He’s a musical genius, and probably the most prolific artist of the generation before mine. Some of the lines he says, if you say them in a normal voice, it’s the most disgusting thing you could say to somebody. But I can say “Pussy-ass nigga” in the most elegant and sexiest way ever, and it’s accepted. If I can get away with singing that, I’m doing something right. All that ignorance on my records — “When she put it in her mouth, she can’t seem to reach my…” — that’s me paying homage to R. Kelly, and even Prince to a certain extent. The things R. Kelly was saying were crazy. You can say it now and it’s nothing, but back then you couldn’t.
Not quite what I meant. More a comment about the execution and arrangement, which definitely has less 'edge' compared to the current class, lyrical gambles notwithstanding. If you're going to do this stuff now, you can't come at it with anything even as jolly as Bump N' Grind. Time is, I suppose. -
Kow wrote:No, shite is the dominant genre.
Unfortunate but likely true
XFactor wins, much like the pop factory twenty five years ago, shame"I spent years thinking Yorke was legit Downs-ish disabled and could only achieve lucidity through song" - Mr B -
Ah guys there is a whole mess of great new music out there. Don't be disheartened. Do a bit more searching."Given how long it's taken for me to reconcile my nature, I can't figure I'd forgo it on your account."
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Considering the sheer scale of availability, searching becomes a chore avoided by my most.
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Have to agree, luckily I have a few curators that I trust, I let them be my shite filter"I spent years thinking Yorke was legit Downs-ish disabled and could only achieve lucidity through song" - Mr B
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There's plenty of good music buried under the shite.
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To what extent is it worth finding good new music?
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I think the state of music on radio and TV is actually fairly good in comparison to the last 10 years or so.
Obviously avoid Radio 1 for the most part but 6 Music is a quality station. Radio 2 and even 1Xtra put on some decent shows and with iPlayer downloads and streaming available much more easily it is more of a possibility.
BBC4 has some excellent music docs on as well, again check iPlayer regularly because BBC spend loads of money on them then put them on at 1am without telling anyone.
Tech is helping a lot with DAB becoming more of the standard over FM.
In the next big Radio 1 reshuffle I can see the chart show being dropped. Even the kids couldn't really give a shit anymore. By the time something is number 1 the early release of the next track is exclusive on Tidal and the kids are watching the early release before the full release video on Youtube. -
Based on very little I suspect less peaks and valleys in quality generally. I am bothered by this suspicion.
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Brooks wrote:To what extent is it worth finding good new music?
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I don't think new music is necissarily bad even if it sounds bad. I found myself complaining about songs that were ineffective because they just reminded in phrases and passages of other things I liked. I sounded like ( tv representations of other people's) parents complaining about music just being noise. Which it is if you can't find anything interesting or new in it.
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Just a point on simple payoff for effort expended. If the situation is that one has to wade through more crud than ever to discover novelties that meet the level of aaaaaaall the other stuff one already knows is ace and to taste, why bother.
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If one could answer that then there likely would be a lot fewer miserable people in the world!
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Finding new stuff is very social media heavy now.
Do a bit of ground work then start following artists, DJs, labels, shows etc on soundcloud or twitter or what have you.
After a while it feeds itself.
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Even that is being eroded. Still good to go if you can.Diluted Dante wrote:There is the old fashioned go to a local show.
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