An observation I had just realised. In all the chat of reys popped out of nowhere being cancelled isn’t it interesting that Finns uniqueness actually got cancelled in this movie? He became the unique rebellious stormtrooper to being just one of a glom of people who can do this. Nobody cares about this it seems.

I think the democratisation of the Force thing would have been a nice way to cap off Rise. Like the biological Skywalkers are all dead and toot toot! who knows who the next Force protagonist people will be look it's a boy with a broom whooooohh

mistercrayon wrote:

An observation I had just realised. In all the chat of reys popped out of nowhere being cancelled isn’t it interesting that Finns uniqueness actually got cancelled in this movie? He became the unique rebellious stormtrooper to being just one of a glom of people who can do this. Nobody cares about this it seems.

Yeah. They missed an obvious fix there. Keep most of rise as is but have hux pissed at ren because he is dragging the first order closer to the sith /dark side of things when all he wanted was to bring peace through order. Finn shows him that it won't work but the first order can still be a force for liberty and the American dream yada yada. Finn becomes the icon for maybe half or even all the first order turning on the sith and using the star destroyers against them. Finn could even have a glorious death moment.

Star destroyer problem solved
Finn plot line solved
Hux motive better

Gotta get me a Hollywood writers guild thingy. I'm clearly blessed at this.

RedDave2 wrote:

Going back to the Video Roujin linked - am I the only one who thinks that part one might have worked if we had seen Kylo Ren become the irredeemable Big bad with Rey trying to turn him but ending up nearly turned herself, leading to Finn (the normal, no force power one) and Poe becoming her anchor to coming back from the dark side and eventually defeating Ren and the First Order?

Just me? 

I'm wasted on this board.

I still think the best ending would have been for Rey falling to the dark side by killing palps and taking over as big bad meany. Kylo would then have his redemption by turning his back on the dark side and defeating Rey, hence the Rise Of (Ben) Skywalker.

Edit: plus the you get the JJ twist.

Nah. over the films they should have had Rey turn bad with Kylo, keep snoke alive, bring back Palps and Jabba and Darth Maul and any other bad guy, give the empire a billion star destroyers, and then Luke comes out of retirement on his island (ireland) planet and FUCKS.EVERYONE.UP.

davyK wrote:

7 is a nice remake of 4. 8 is random gibberish that looked great in parts 9 was good old romp. The narrative of the eps 7-9 is utter wank made up on the fly. They don't exist for me. Happy to never see any of them again - ever. A waste of a good franchise containing a rich universe with which to play with.

A fair summation. I think i'd stop short of saying 'ever' for not seeing them again, especially for Rise as I'm curious how much worse it will be now i've stopped to think about it, or whether i'll still enjoy the ride since I'm not wondering about how the madness will unfold.

i think we'd all have been better served if each 'film' in the new trilogy was just all the concept art in order, with a John Williams score over the top. no clumsy dialogue and naff narrative, just lots of 'now imagine this cool scene' and let your own imagination fill the gaps.

RamSteelwood wrote:

davyK wrote:

7 is a nice remake of 4. 8 is random gibberish that looked great in parts 9 was good old romp. The narrative of the eps 7-9 is utter wank made up on the fly. They don't exist for me. Happy to never see any of them again - ever. A waste of a good franchise containing a rich universe with which to play with.

A fair summation. I think i'd stop short of saying 'ever' for not seeing them again, especially for Rise as I'm curious how much worse it will be now i've stopped to think about it, or whether i'll still enjoy the ride since I'm not wondering about how the madness will unfold.

forever is a long time. I'll grant that.

Dunno. Could be. It's certainly an intriguing mish-mash of things.