Little epilogue. MR has just become world champion again just a mere 10 days since losing the title.

Not sure if that makes me think Dan did the smart thing or not in ten years time people won’t remember as much how he did it as much as he was actually world champion for a bit and therefore is one of very few to achieve that on the planet.

How do you know he's not running the courses as fast as he thinks he can, and it's only when he's beaten that he pushes to break what may have been seen as an impossible barrier?

If you watch any speedrun history vids there's usually parts where the community goes, 'it's done, unbeatable' only for someone to beat it eventually and do what was deemed impossible, spurring everyone else on again.

Dan did the smart thing, sure, but it was still a dick move imho etc.

Yeah, if he's capable of taking these times back so quickly, to the point someone felt they needed to post all scores at once but thinks he's set an impossible barrier he's a fucking idiot.

He's obviously content holding but not pushing the record, which is fine, but what Dan did is a fairly obvious consequence of that.

Just to be clear, I think the only thing we disagree about is whether or not the initial action by Dan was a dick move. 

I'm really focussed at this point on the people in the community who were kicking up a fuss over what Dan did in terms of it being bad for the progression of the game and the "denial" of storylines of jolly competition and back and forth, or whatever the fuck they wanted to happen instead.

What MR has done is essentially the same thing Dan is being accused of, except MR didn't dump his runs in one go. He's made a run, got the record and then moved onto something else, which is totally fine to do. He's returned now the records are broken and taken the times back in relatively short order. Showing that his previous times weren't the best he could do, weren't representative of where the game is really at and essentially Dan was targeting a time that was not actually the "real record" because it seems that MR has it within him to better these times but chooses not to because frankly, he's got better things to do than break his own records.

All the people complaining about the scene progression, people not chasing after the actual records, and lambasting Dan for what he did are now very quiet, even though it's clear that MR because of his insane ability is basically sandbagging the scene and really is making everyone else's exciting storyline chases of records a waste of time, because he comes back the next week and undoes however long that person spent trying to break the record.

Tbh I'm just arguing my side pointlessly, I can understand the other opinion I just don't agree, I think it was a dick move and isn't the same as MR. But, it's nothing to fall out about eh.

It's true. If Muzzy had been any good at Trackmania Turbo I'd be a much better player myself.

Like I said, MR is prefectly fine to play how he likes, I'm specifically talking about all the little dipshit babies in the community who were screeching about unsportsman like conduct by Dan and how what he did was terrible because people weren't chasing the actual records during the time when he was hoarding his runs, and the scene was robbed of storylines and the opportunity to reach it's potential by being able to chase the fastest times possible.

What MR did was perfectly fine, you aren't under any obligation to push yourself constantly to break your own records.

I'm talking about MR clearly being better than the times he's posted, if he pushed himself, because he's broken these records back in short order. By the logic of the people complaining that the MK64 speedrunning community is being held back by people not posting their best times when they had them, MR is doing the same thing as Dan, he obviously is capable of doing better times that he could set for the betterment of the community as a whole, but I guess he doesn't care about that and only cares about himself being number 1 so only posts his actual best times when he wants to *pouting face*.

I'm specifically pointing at the hypocrisy of these pathetic members of that community who live in babies fucking cuddle land, throwing a fit because someone posted all their records in one shot for what is now a very short lived time on the top spot. It should be noted, that this action has proven that the only way people will get the number one spot at this time while MR is so completely dominant is by hoarding their runs. Be that a dick move or not. 

Personally it's no less dickish to hoard your runs than it is to rest on your laurels and only push yourself when a rival challenges you. I don't have feelings about either. What I have feelings about are communities where members go off the deep end because they don't understand why someone would use a totally valid competitive strategy, in an already fiercely competetive scene and kick up such a fucking fuss that a dude feels he has to come back and make a grovelling apology to the community and beg for forgiveness to be let back in, when he didn't do anything wrong. 

tl;dr 10/10 I would have jettisoned myself from the community if I was part of it, after how they reacted. The same way I'm about to have to jettison myself from the FGC because those fucking morons are complaining about players being dropped for completely inappropriate conduct and statements because they think the "thuggery" was what defined the FGC back in the day.

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I mean I think you're probably right in that MR thinks he can beat his times, but it's different to _having_ beat them and sat on a bank of them.

I smell a flounce, originating from this thread
.10-15 % chance within 48 hours, up to 47.5% within 7 days.

Hmm, deceit and trust???

At the end of the day your man has actually reinvigorated the community somewhat hasn't he?

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A fucking cesspool and I smdh that I ever shared the same spaces as some of these fucking wankers.

Hey c'mon m8 we're disagreeing a bit but that's a bit harsh on us innit!