Another tournament on: http://www.twitch.com/capcomfighters

It's seriously not bad at full tilt.
It's starting to remind me a little of CvS2 now... And that was a really good game.

It's too slow.

Jumps in IV are somewhere in the mid-40s (I've said this before, han' I?!), compared to mid-30s in Strike. So about a 20% difference, that makes all the offensive difference. Watching the latest, consider these erasals: crouch-teching; EXing through blockstrings; FADC escapes; backdash invincibility... and yet still - with its damage bumped - it's not an aggressive game.

They've removed a ton of shit from IV, only to nerf a lot of the good stuff in order to affect a IV-like experience. If Dudley returns with his high-low game untouched, I'll proper change my tune. But for now, my impression is that walking and jumping is too slow - evasion is so poor - that play hinges on predictive button-pressing. Given how large reaction windows are for top twiddlers, and especially how obvious jump-ins will soon become, traditional play's a fast road to stalemates.

We haven't seen anyone play ultra-defensively yet, because they're supposed to be advertising it, but I bet some of these guys could block and spoil for days. As it stands, Kuroda's Q would absolutely decimate in this engine. Without the fun of universal parries or overheads.

Agressive = good is dumb to me. Play one of those games if you want.

i don't think he's saying agressive = good, more slow = bad

just that in a game with such pace, there isn't really any leeway to be agressive against someone just walling up. the game does have guard crush now so i guess that's the 'negative penalty' for turtling.

I haven't seen this tournament yet, but from the little i have seen players are rarely out of jump in range, and with its current speed and block/hitstun times the matches look a bit like mk in the way they play out. projectiles look useless so far, hopefully i'm wrong.

Smang wrote:

I haven't seen this tournament yet, but from the little i have seen players are rarely out of jump in range, and with its current speed and block/hitstun times the matches look a bit like mk in the way they play out. projectiles look useless so far, hopefully i'm wrong.

It's a small point, but Wong's Bipson, and Xian's Charlie's worth watching.
Birdie is clearly broken.

Wong has already worked out an interesting little frame trap* with Bipson, that reminds me of a 'Sharkboy' rushdown in Xrd. His teleport work also makes the new Bison look quite cool.

*You'll know it when you see it.

As for the art direction...





I mean, that's all in game...

yeah i actually noticed that way back - i actually think the music has more levels to it, a bit like revengance. 

i noticed the win pose music comes from the stage music, or rather one transitions into the other. nice touch!

also that video doesn't fill me confidence, looks hella sfxt to me. i don't think Wong leaves the ground once...

The impression I get, is that this is not an entirely cynical enterprise like SFxT was, but like Brooks and Smang, I'd like to see more innovation. And this current build suggests that the game itself won't be the vehicle for it.

I do suspect that the network features are going to be quite special though. Especially given the cross platform play stuff, but they've not mentioned their plans yet.

It's a graphical glitch that only happens on the right side.

I'm liking what I'm seeing so far.

fullspectrum wrote:

Bleh I don't care really I'm just bored of people complaining about jump arcs since 2009

The jumps can be made faster, or they can be modified for in-air control. But if they remain slow, their arcs fixed, that hobbles everyone. Tekken 7's nerfed sidesteps are the same.

fullspectrum wrote:

Agressive = good is dumb to me. Play one of those games if you want.

There's way more to it than that.

3rd Strike would allow Sako to play a far more aggressive game than IV, but Kuroda could match him without having to be aggressive at all. A game that imposed aggressive play on everyone would be bad; a game that especially rewarded aggressive play would be bad; a game that opposes aggressive play based on its reward bias is bad. To me.

And I feel that slow jumps tip that bias in favour of defensive play. They're not the sole cause, obviously.

it looked like a wakeup back roll, though nothing like that has been mentioned before... hard to judge as there don't seem to be many knockdowns in that vid.

it also looks a little bit like a glitch

Haven't had chance to watch them yet, but Nerd Josh put a ton of footage up onto his youtube of people playing SF5 at E3 over the last couple of days.

@isanbard @jrpc

I'm told I can get a PS3 stick working on my PS4. If I buy SFIV this week will you guys play some with me?

To be fair your Bison was getting somewhere the other day, but I was so fucking wasted, playing on a pad, and playing over shareplay with literally the worst connection I've ever seen. So you should be fine.

i think so. hey we can play GG as well man, if that stick thing works. I've got a shitty old Hori that probably still works

PS4 version reportedly (as of 1.03) is now comparable in measurements to the XBox. Feels fine to mye but that largely means nothing here..