Final Fantasy - General - The Bear and Badger

mistercrayon

Why is everything called Nora in FF13.

It’s a really weird battle system. I sort of feels like they’ve shifted Decision aspects mainly to changing the set up of the team rather than the specific things you do like choosing a fire spell or whatever.

acemuzzy

There's no rationale, you're probably just imagining it, setting things that aren't there

hylian_elf

It’s a great system though but takes a while to get going. Can’t remember who said it, maybe Tempy, but you don’t see how good it can be until a certain boss fight. After that and specially later in the game it really becomes quite good and tactical.

voices

I mainly remember fighting giant tortoises in FF13. If you break it down, that's about 50% of the game.

mistercrayon

I cream the boss of the world one minute ten minutes later I’m getting Owned by some slimes in a sewer.

hylian_elf

Much like Dark Souls where most of bosses are piss, but little enemies can ravage you in seconds.

mistercrayon

Man Snow is completely thick as bricks.

mistercrayon

Ha I finally made it to chapter 11. The fabled chapter that opens up the game. And fuck me it’s completely fucking boring. It’s almost as if they were told “why are you doing all this linear shit!? Final Fantasy is about roaming around” “ oh you want an open world do you? Okay we’ll just make this bland map and make you do missions at a waypoint make you back track then make you go past the way point just to carry on moving forward”. Utterly obnoxious and unnecessary.

Also I’m at this point and I still don’t really understand the story.

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EvilRedEye

Those are Cie'th stones. They are l'Cie that failed to complete their Focus given by the fal'Cie. They turn into crystalline monsters for a while and when they run out of energy they turn into stones.

Verecocha

Got offered this at £25 so thought why not. Not sure it’ll be for me after the demo but I’ll give it a go then sell it on for ore if I don’t like. Any tips before I start?

Tempy

Resist the temptation to just spam out attacks, the game sort of pays homage to its turn based roots by giving the combat a back and forth which means you'll get caught out if you just hammer away. When the option to switch characters in combat becomes available, make use of it to build up their ATB gauge so they can be useful.

JonB

Went back to Remake last week and I'm closing in on the Platinum now. Just need to do the last optional fight and then go through the final 2 chapters again on Hard.

TBH some of the stuff it requires is a bit of a bore, but it's a good reason just to spend more time with it. I hadn't had enough when it ended.

Verecocha

Tempy wrote:

Resist the temptation to just spam out attacks, the game sort of pays homage to its turn based roots by giving the combat a back and forth which means you'll get caught out if you just hammer away. When the option to switch characters in combat becomes available, make use of it to build up their ATB gauge so they can be useful.

That sounds like good advice as I’d very much play like a hack and slash.

Verecocha

Yeah, after 3 hours I’m not sure it’s me. It’s just too...boring and camp. Some of it looks nice, some looks awful, the action isn’t too bad, but the music is so awful, the quests and characters are all so camp it’s beyond belief. It feels like a much better quality Shenmue just not as good. I’ll keep going for now but just don’t think it’s me....

mistercrayon

EvilRedEye wrote:

Those are Cie'th stones. They are l'Cie that failed to complete their Focus given by the fal'Cie. They turn into crystalline monsters for a while and when they run out of energy they turn into stones.

It’s just why do the falcie give missions like save the planet and Also kill this one monster. It just feels arbitrary and bizarre.

EvilRedEye

I was expecting there to be no answer to this, but I have found one. Apparently the gods created the fal'Cie for a specific purpose, almost like a Focus of their own, and the fal'Cie can't directly do stuff other than this goal, so l'Cie are like a loophole that allow them to do other activities. So some of the basic bitch Focus stuff is just because the fal'Cie literally can't kill that rando little monster because it's not what their god created them to do.

EvilRedEye

Every question has an answer if you spend hundreds of hours poring over the datalog and get a degree in Final Fantasy XIII studies I guess.

mistercrayon

You deserve your day getting up on a stage to shake the hand of vice chancellor square and get a certificate.

hylian_elf

Doing the marks on Pulse gets you lots of lore and explanations etc.

JonB

Some of the best bits in FFVIIR second time around on Hard were some of the worst bits first time, and vice versa to an extent.

Just done Chapter 17. It felt like padding first time, but this time I thought it was a real highlight. It's basically a long series of battles that tests you on every aspect of the combat you've learned up to that point and gets you to use all the characters to their strengths.

On the other hand, Chapter 9, one of the most entertaining bits first time, becomes a drag (pun intended) on repeat playthroughs.

Verecocha

Yeah, this is going on eBay, really not me, can’t seem to enjoy a second of it. Such is life.

cosmicjellybean

Finally completed. I liked it.

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I look forward to the next one.

MattyJ

Finally finished the Remake today and actively said "what the fuck" about half a dozen times in the last 30-60 mins.

MattyJ

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Tempy

Basically. I think it's a poor decision for them, mainly because

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MattyJ

Tempy wrote:

Basically. I think it's a poor decision for them, mainly because

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Metatextual stuff like this is great when what you're doing adds to the story, but I can't see what this adds in a positive way. I think the ending actively works against what makes the remake so good - the strength of the characters. They've fought god, where next? Makes Cloud's whole identity crisis kinda moot if he's able to defeat Sephiroth, except now Sephi can travel through time? What's the point?

Yeah I don't really get why they did it either...

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Tempy

Maybe they'll make something of it, but I don't particularly get what they've decided to do.

MattyJ

I think they may have painted themselves into a corner with it

Tempy

It comes from a desire to not want to just retread the original, which I get, but I don't see currently how it gives them much interesting to work with. You have these strong characters that they really build up well in this game, and then they escalate things so rapidly that I think they lose that facet.

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MattyJ

Tempy wrote:

It comes from a desire to not want to just retread the original, which I get, but I don't see currently how it gives them much interesting to work with. You have these strong characters that they really build up well in this game, and then they escalate things so rapidly that I think they lose that facet.

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I was wary from the very minute Spehiroth turned up in this because the thing that mskes him so memorable in the OG is that he isn't there for a long time. You're just chasing a shadow. The flashback in Kalm has him kill a dragon you can't even scratch, and are a long way from even holding your own against. But in Remake you see him every hour, he's taken a special interest in Cloud, and you've beaten him in a fight.

Sure, his ability to time travel explains all of that, but I think it's makes for a less interesting idea. I guess you argue, how can Cloud be a no-one now when we know he's a someone, but I think a good story stays good on retelling.

I'd forgotten that about the original,

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