They are indeed. A couple of weeks ago they saw us kissing on a night out and were really shitty with her for a few days following that. She convinced that was the reason why. There's tons more stuff she's told me today but I can't really remember it all as we've both been drinking (she's really not the type to lie or exaggerate, either). I was just so blown away by the asking her to pose topless thing.

Obviously depends on what she wants. Having had some one I care about go through something horrific my advice would be not to push even if you know it to be right.

Jesus, I'm surprised you need to ask, codey. Not saying it'll be an easy process, but yes, if proved, all of that is pretty clear cut. Anything written down, any emails? Texts?

Taking the ipod will probably not help, but you'd figure any lawyer worth his fee will make sure her age is noted on that front. (She sounds like a young 18, tbh.)

Not sure how things work in Germany, but I'd be very surprised if this wasn't deemed unacceptable. Either way, following encouragement from igor and yourself, I've sent her a message with the intention of persuading her to reconsider doing fuck all about it. Although she really doesn't seem to think it's a big deal, and she certainly wasn't scared at all. It was just a case of finding them really fucking creepy, which they are, and she's just happy to have got an ipod out of it. Either way, the situation was enough for her to want to quit her job, so that ought to count for something.

I feel a bit silly now for asking whether it was sexual harassment. My gut instinct was that it definitely was, but she did a very good job of calming me down earlier.

She has a leaving party on Saturday as she's going travelling for a bit. There's a good chance her bosses will turn up, as they seem to quite often. No doubt some sort of advance will be made. Might be a good idea to lend her my recordey-device thing, just in case she has a change of heart, which I'm now hoping she will

I'll ask her about texts and emails. I hadn't yet. With regard to them touching her arse, a couple of her friends work there too. They've had similar treatment, although they've not been asked to pose topless or anything like that.

I got the impression the other girls were downplaying it too.

That is what happens in my line of work, on occasions when you don't receive a more personal response.

google wrote:

I'm sorry you didn't get the job mate, it's never a fun experience. However, I feel I must shed some light onto the mystery of why recruiters/HR dont respond if the job application was unsuccessful. .... It's pretty disgusting behaviour, but what more would you expect from recruiters?

Ta.
I completely understand it from a business point of view but what ever happened to someone spending 5-10 minutes emailing people out of politeness? That is my point. What happened to just being thoughtful/polite. I do tend to get caught up in anger over these little things a bit too much but basically if you cant spend the time to do that then the pleasant and polite nature shown in the actual interview was all bullshit. Its an 'everyone is in it for themselves' attitude.

This interview I went for had around a maximum of 8 interviewees. Now its a video editor job, its not a specialist job as such but the role carries a lot of importance and responsibility so it you are through to the interview stage then you are obviously of some importance to them and providing you dont start fingering your/any anus during the interview then you should at least be warranted some respect throughout the entire process. Especially if they say "we will contact you within 2 weeks". If you have no intention of doing that then simply dont say it.

When I chased up this particular interview I got a few brief paragraphs saying I interviewed well (note:no fingering of any anus) and the possibility of a call back and also freelance work. Now, whether I have any interest in that possibility I dont know, and I suspect it was largely bullshit cushioning and pandering so I didnt go on a serial finger anus bang but never the less if he could be bothered to type all of that, then why not send me that a week ago?

I understand getting nothing or just a generic email for just applying but if an interview takes place then unsuccessful candidates should be informed. If that isn't achievable then too many people are being interviewed.

Diluted Dante wrote:

Google, it would be automatic. You wouldn't have to compile a list of unsuccessful candidates, you'd already have a list of all candidates, and you'd just remove the few successful ones. Any job you have to apply via email or an online form should have this set up as standard surely? The BBC seem to have this system, as I was notified of progress along the application and the ultimate rejection by what looked very much like automated emails. I'm not saying it's applicable to every situation, but there are a hell of a lot where it is. Especially if you've applied to an agency, who keep all your details on record.

Most recruiting/HR teams work in specific software systems called ATSs. Most of these are designed around getting the recruiter as much information as possible in as little time as possible. 

I'm not aware of any of them automatically generating an email for unsuccessful applicants. That's not to say good recruitment teams don't send that email, but it's far from an industry standard.

Liveinadive wrote:

Google google googal. You may he able to answer me this. On my CV I have a published iPhone game. It was freelance and all I did was make 3D models, as I might for any game on any system. Why do I constantly get contacted for iPhone app dev jobs? Is it because iPhone appears as some kind of hot word?

Exactly that.

You exist in multiple job boards (like monster, jobsite, etc) I assume. So when shitty recruiters who are recruiting for jobs that contain technologies they know nothing about they'll perform a boolean search on specific terms.

One of those terms is probably iPhone. So they see you worked on a game for the iPhone but actually have no idea what this means or whats involved.

Liveinadive wrote:

Cheers Google, i thought that may have been the case, they seem to be the more clueless of recruiters. I know what I do is full of jargon, I dont expect them to know a ffx modifier from a uv map editor but they really should know the difference between an artist and a programmer, if only to save themselves some time.

Meh, it takes them no more time to email 100 people than it does to email 40 people.

Then, once you reply that your're interested, they'll start weeding out the rest.

Liveinadive wrote:

Agreed but these chumps are actually taking the time to ring me!

Ahahaha. Fuck me. 

Honestly mate, recruitment is a cattle market full of inexperienced, undereducated young people hoping to find a living for themselves.

Dont get me wrong, you can make an absolute fortune being a good recruiter. But a good recruiter requires experience, large networks and a good amount of luck.